Twitch Streamer wins 1000 games in a row as Blight

Mhmmm.

Are you actually arguing that point or just pointing it out?

Edited my post to make my meaning more clear.

To recap, you think the other Killers should be on Nurse and Blight's level?

On the contrary, I think it's FAR more likely for an average Survivor to play someone like Momo than it is for someone like Zaka or Knightlight to match against him.

There's simply MORE average Survivors and the matchmaker will always prioritize speed over accuracy.

Is it not a problem that he's sent to slaughter regular players in the first place?

Those people have ZERO chance. Don't you think that's terrible for the game?

In a scenario where it was possible to make all Killers equal in power to Nurse or Blight though, you'd be for that?

I think you need to address it either way. It doesn't matter to me which piece of the puzzle you choose to go after

Not to bring up the past, but you have used kill rates relatively recently in an argument even though we both know they are at best a rough indication. There was a 53% KR during peak dh validation + peak CoH, that shows how worthless the stats are.

@Reinami @Huge_Bush hi, I am a survivor main (about 1,000 hours on Nintendo switch) and probably by any metric would fit into the mediocre-at best with comical levels of looping ability. Not purely for bias reasons, but a combination of the fact that I’m ABSOLUTELY horrible at First person view games + also a terrible loner so would not have the heart to be a killer. However I like to read the forum and take different points of views. My initial thoughts as someone who pretty much gets stomped 8 or 9 out of 10 matches is to feel utter dismay at posts where suggestions of further nerfs to survivors are made.

I have come to understand the more subtle nuances especially at different levels of play however so it generally leaves me feeling quite helpless. The truth is I should ‘get good’ but I’m not sure I have it in me to become a Better looper if even after 1k hours I get downed in seconds of caught. My usual method of survival is to add value to my team in different ways (support perks, healing etc that make me an extended pair of hands for other more competent players).

Reading a lot killer main opinions like yours, although I still don’t always agree I find them to at least be based on reasonable arguments (as opposed to some killer main posts that are so unbiased and - at least to me - deluded to the point I wonder if they’re playing the same game).

it seems there is a big gap between what a high tier killer and lower tier killer can do when balancingX I wonder if the game had extra objectives for survivor to compensate? So for example, a killer with less pressure ability can have baked-in extra objectives for the survivors such as finding parts to Gen around the map (can encourage ‘item search’ perks) that need to be collected and paired with others before even working on a Gen etc?

I’m sure every idea will have a potential to be abused or a counter etc but I’m interested in ideas to keep the game going. I’m afraid that at the current level of nerfs, as fair or not as they may be for whatever point of view and level applied, will alienate and eventually remove players like me because we can’t “get good” and our other dimensions of play aren’t viable. I like this game too much and have made some amazing friends who are also of a similar mindset and (low) ability.

I'm going a bit back in this thread, but the argument was brought up whether a college team could beat a pro team out of a thousand matches.

It depends on the sport, but generally speaking, absolutely. In many sports considerably more than 1 out of a 1000 times.

There are 3 elements to consider:

Statistics: A pro team is going to statistically be much better than a college team across seasons, but that doesn't mean each team plays their average. Take basketball and 3 pointers - if a college team and pro team meet a 1000 times eventually you will have a game where the pro team randomly hits well below their average while the college team hits way above their average.

Luck: Lots of games have elements of random chance. With sports an example could be weather, eventually something will happen that is bad for one team and good for the other (one team better prepared to play in snow for example). This is particularly notable because DbD has tons of random elements.

Human fallibility: As human beings we make mistakes. In addition to that sometimes things just go against a person outside the control, even the best mess up.

I think this what makes a 1,000 kill streak stand out so much. Lots of people like to point out how much of DbD comes down to luck and setup (which I think is true). In a game with a high level of variance you would expect upsets to occur with relative frequency (as they do in most sports), but we don't. We see win streaks.

I'm not here to say - here's how to fix this issue, just that the numbers really make it look like there is an issue.

It's an academic question, though the only real example I can find that comes close is the college all star game (American Football 1934 - 1976) when a team of college all stars would play the winners of the NFL. College players won roughly 1 in 5 (0.238 percent).

Maybe, but there were blowouts among the games. You could argue that the pros didn't play as seriously because it being an exhibition, but could also say that the college players were at a disadvantage because they were an assembled team while the pros knew how to work together.

There are a few examples of American baseball teams losing to college teams, but that usually occurs in spring training when the pros are warming up.

The closest other example I could think of is tennis where you'll see players at the very top lose to unknowns on occasion, though in that case everyone is a pro.

In general this is actually the case with several killers. For example pig has the traps, pinhead has the box, wesker and nemesis have infection etc. But i would worry that this would make killers all feel too "samey" in that way. I think what they really need is a killer to anchor balance around. The sad part is, they had it. Although i haven't tried him since the changes last patch, old hillbilly used to be this. His power was good, but not too good. His mobility was good, but not too good, his downing ability was good, but not too good. The only real issue he had was the insa-saw addons, but instead they gutted him.

If you look at traditionally very balanced games you'll see that when they have multiple characters, let's say a fighting game like street fighter. They pick a character to anchor their balance around. They design this character to be in the absolute middle of the pack in terms of balance. Then they basically inch everyone else as close to that as possible. They look at the bottom characters and know those ones need a buff and the top ones and that those need a nerf.

I don't disagree with the idea that nurse and blight and probably spirit need to be dealt with, just as i think trapper, and sadako, and freddy and so on need some love as well. At the same time, the balance needs to be addressed in a way that is most feasible. And i still think that is nerfing some of the insane loops that can spawn rather than trying to go and buff 80% of the killers. Better and easier to nerf the broken ones, and then tone down the power of survivors.

1000 wins is really impressive. But let's say he won 500 games in a row, lose game# 501 and than won game#502-1000: No one would care, but that's still a 99,9% winrate. I started watching Momo when he was around 450, the amount DCs, Survs giving up or killing themselves on 1st hook was even more impressive

it isn't a streak unless you get 4k's each match.

People know that's not possible which is why survivors escaping through a hatch doesn't count as a loss. There is no possible way you can get a legit streak in DBD which is why balancing killers around it doesn't make sense.

Yep! I'm just adding on to it.

What this streak is speaking to is the imbalance of the game on a fundamental level.

Hypothetically, an absolute god of gaming could take each killer and play them to the absolute limits of their design, and they'd find wildly different levels of success with each one.

No matter what you do, how skilled you are, or how much time you put in game or how absolutely ruthless your tactics, you're not winning 1000 games in a row with the Trapper. You can't tunnel your way to massive win streaks with just any killer; you're limited to varying degrees by their individual design.

Regardless of the player, only a handful of the killer roster could be used to that much effect.

Now of course there are very few who could use even the Blight well enough to win 1K games in a row, for sure. But make no mistake, no one is winning 1K games in a row with any killer outside of maybe 3-4.

For most players in DBD, the limits of design aren't being pushed. Like cars on the highway, most of the traffic in DBD is moving at a similar pace, either being limited by the traffic around them, or not being pushed. But killers like Blight/Nurse are like F1 racecars in a field of consumer cars: in the hands of a proper driver, they're simply capable of much greater things than the other cars on the road.

Not just any driver can effectively drive an F1 car, but those who can have a massive advantage. And even the world's best driver isn't going to drive a Toyota Camry to victory over a racecar, even being driven by lesser drivers.

So the end of the day, player skill in DBD is probably only the second or third most important variable in determining outcome (for killer or survivor). This is a difficult pill to swallow for those who think they're just constantly outplaying their competition, but it's true.

The discussion about tunneling and the discussion about imbalanced killer design can be mutually exclusive.

"When using tournament rules"

And therein lies the problem. In order for the game to be balanced tournaments have to institute rules outside of the actual game, like restrictions on items/addons/kits etc. Meanwhile, nothing is stopping a tournament playing from entering the standard queue and ruining the game for everyone else.