Exhaustion perks are always going to be a problem

This is the thing. I'm not saying to nerf killer and buff survivor in general. The mmr split is pretty wide in this game. High mmr the sweaty survivor swfs rule and killer is always playing catch up. But at low mmr, for killers it is such a cakewalk.

I'd love to see a way to help low mmr survs without it benefitting high mmr swfs. I have suggested detailed ways of doing that before, VC, rolling handicaps, an actually decent tutorial etc. But all we've seen has been the player action icons, handy but it doesn't really fix how garbage solo q is.

Perks should never be "annihilated" to the point of literally being useless. If the perk is that problematic, then it should be reworked entirely, not just nerfed and then left to rot for years until they decide to change every perk again. Otherwise we are left, as usual, with the same 12 perks on both sides being any good, which just creates an endless cycle of metas, some of which are more annoying than others.

Unfortunately, Skull Merchant still gets use out of Overbrine.

"The mmr split is pretty wide in this game. High mmr the sweaty survivor swfs rule and killer is always playing catch up. But at low mmr, for killers it is such a cakewalk."

If you mean : persons playing the very strong killers win easily at mid MMR then sure. If you mean the "meh" killers win easily in Mid MMR then I'm going to say no.

This is one of the things I would love to blast Otz with; he says well when survivors have the very best vs Blight and Nurse it's equal. Well that's fine but the difference between Blight and Nurse is extreme. What would make playing Trapper be on the same playing field? Maybe it would approach equality if every survivor had to bring No Mither.

"I'd love to see a way to help low mmr survs without it benefitting high mmr swfs"

That would be perfectly fine.

I would also love to see real changes to the game so that the broken/weak killers can play "fine" against 4 man SWF bully squads. This of course is no easy task because in order for weak killers to be viable they need:

1. Movement speed as either a power or base speed increase. Without movement speed you suffer from the "shift w" problem. Would Trapper be scary with 120% speed Base? The answer is probably no but it would make him "suck less"
2. Strong Anti Loop. Every killer needs this as part of their kit.
3. 4v1 potential like Pig, Pinhead, and Nemesis enjoy OR the same kind of 4v1 that Blight and Nurse have because they end chases so fast that there is almost no downtime between chases.
4. Chase Lethality is necessary for every killer in the game. The moment the survivors do not care about being chased is the clear notification that the killer(s) in question need massive buffs.

You either need to do everything in this list OR you need to do a complete map redesign scheme. Imagine for a moment that we keep all the maps we have and make 9000m² versions for all killers who are NOT Nurse/Blight. That's right we make a new smaller version of all the maps with fewer vaults/pallets with everything closer together. Then we prevent Nure/Blight from playing on these maps and maybe we make the maps we have even bigger b/c they will only be played by the "broken" killers. All the generators on the new maps are closer so that we have multiple possible locations per map for 3 gens.

God pallet count per each map will be 1 or fewer. /gasp.

Well my phone has been ringing off the hook and I might have answered the wrong thread when I got interupted - my bad.

What does the killer have to earn time back to counter an exhaustion perk? The perks that could were things like Overcharge, Eruption and CoB but all three have been obliterated.

Gen regression was nuked to the point where I would never consider using any of those perks anymore (the same way I would never use Sabotage after remembering the 2016 version).

The problem with this game is that some of the perks are S+ tier and most the perks are C tier. More often than not killers get B-C tier perks and Survivors overall have historically had much stronger perks.

-"also if you had to stack gen regression (using overbrine eruption) to win games and your complaining that its gone then you just were never good to begin with"

I was using 1 regression perk with most of my killers.

When I played Trapper I was using a combination like Overcharge+PR because that killer is trash compared to the good killers.

Your reply is not really very fair when you play against people who are in a 4 man SWF using BNPs and Hyperfocus, etc.

Killers simply need better perks that causes Exhaustion that are actually worth it.

Make Blood Echo a Scourge hook. Then change it to “After hooking a survivor on a Scourge hook all other survivors are inflicted with exhaustion for 45 seconds. If the other survivors are injured they also suffer from hemorrhage for 45 seconds.”.

Buff Septic Touch. “Whenever a survivor performs a healing action, or a cooperative action within your terror radius, sporadically hear The Entity as long as the actions persist. During that time the survivors suffer from blindness and exhaustion. The effect persists for up to 10 seconds after stopping the actions by any means”.

Buff Fear Monger. “Whenever a survivor works on a gen they suffer from blindness and exhaustion. The effects persist for 5 seconds. If all generators are completed survivors that lose a health state suffer from blindness and exhaustion for 5 seconds”.

Survivors can get around all that by avoiding downs by Scourge hooks, healing outside the TR, and using Vigil. Fear Monger for EGC allows killers to potentially deal with DH when it is abused most.

Yes exhaustion is absolutely busted. If an exhaustion perk buys you 20 seconds in chase just once it is already one of best perks in game. All survivors have to do is not run for a full 40 seconds to get their free extend chase by 20 seconds perk back.

There's not a meta build that wouldn't contain one then all the survivor mains on this thread defending their precious op perks then are the first to complain that killers are tunneling and camping which killers are doing cause they can't win chases.

I thought killer mains and survivors mains come for argument, but I feel you've gone abit too far.

There are many wrong things I can point out on your part, but I feel its pointless to tell after reading. Good luck to you being on the forum.

What Peanits is saying he doesn't take stances. He is neutral and want to have an open mind discussion with you. He's not saying he's not disagreeing with you but neither is he agreeing with you.

Your explanation though is on point about the exhaustion perks and I don't disagree with what you said but there is more to it than you know.