Gen rushing is a huge problem.

NGL I hopped onto DBD to play Killer for a few rounds and I swear it's the fastest I've ever seen someone(s) unhook someone after I've hooked them all 4 games in a row across two Killers (Pig/Executioner).

They learned quick after I circled back immediately, but c'mon, the hell.

I suppose part of may be a result of map size (Crotus/Ormond), and admittedly it's a very small sample size.

I think camping and tunneling are scummy too bro. I'm not your enemy and rank 1 on both sides currently. I'm not being dismissive, I'm pointing out that we would get a lot more things that would make the game fun for both sides if we stuck together versus this us vs them attitude you seem to have.

Gen rushing isn't a problem. Do you know why? Because 90% of the time, gen rushing leads to three-genning. At that point, the killer wins.

Gen rushing doesn't exist. If you're losing gens that fast then you're doing something wrong. You need to build pressure which is a combination of game knowledge and macro. Way too in depth and nuanced for just a forum post, but if you want things to help then here's some.

Lethal Pursuer: This perk will help you learn survivor spawns until you don't need it. Even if you DO know survivor spawns it can give an advantage early game because you see exactly what the whole team is doing for the first 10 seconds of the match.

Sloppy Butcher: This is for hit and run. It's always good to spread pressure and take easy hits, and this just makes it even better. Healing is longer, if they stop for 5 seconds they have to start all over again. Good stuff.

Jolt: Nasty perk for any condensed maps or close gen spawns. 8% removed from a gen (around 5 seconds) and regression if nobody touches it. Also doubles as an information perk if you pay attention to the "GENERATOR DAMAGED" score. It doesn't sound like a lot but it has a lot of potential to interrupt gens and destroy them.

And overall, read the map layout and don't take bad chases. If they have a filler pallet that leads into a window, leading into yet another loop tile, just drop them. You'll lose more on that. Sometimes survivors get busted loop spawns and other times they only have a single filler pallet and L T wall. Try to keep everything in those places. Chase the guy that has nothing to work with instead of the one who has everything in their favor.

Finally, if you're playing Sadako and know she's bad can you really complain about losing? That's like jumping into a tiger exhibit and wondering why the tigers ate you.

Early gens don't mean as much as people want to believe. The only gen that really matters is the last one. Once you realise that it's easier to keep your head cool.

This.

I feel that the panic that seems to set in for lots of killer players is the thing harms them the most. As survivors run out of items and pallets to use and have to narrow the portion of the map that is needed to be defended, games turn really quickly.

I'll also add even if this was done without items, just 3+ survivors jumping on one gen with prove thyself, that's not much different to the survivors spread out. 3 gens at 33% or 1 gen finished at the start of the game don't have that much distance between them, other that as killer one of those you know about and the other you don't.

Same. But draws exists. Survivor getting hatch and killer getting 2K is draw - it's as if the game never happaned.

For me it depends on the killer I play. Sadako is pretty chill since most people don't know what to do vs the Full Condemned strategy, but when I play my main Wesker, the matches are usually quite tough since I can't to the funny stuff consistently yet (and I did not succeed in doing the hug-tech yet as well). I am working on this though :D. Myers is usually a pain since I don't use insta stalk or TS (I love Rabbit & Mirror Shard), whereas Spirit is usually chill. Huntress, Nurse & PyH are about 50/50 because I am only ok with them.

Actually "the game" would be fine if most of the pallets were unsafe. But largely speaking the developers dont use unsafe pallets anymore.

One of the reasons that the Stranger Things map was good is because it had a lot of "weak" pallets.

Imagine if "the game" had 25 pallets but there were only 2 god pallets. What a thought right?

-"Maybe they can do it as an Umbrella Lab as second Resident Evil map."

That's a great idea that will likely never happen. Another great thing about the Hawkins map was that it was a fair size. No map larger than 9000m² is fair for the "regular" move speed killers.

-"They do medium pallets a lot now"

Lol are we playing a different game? No they don't. Most pallets are part of a jungle gym or rock structure where it's super safe to loop.

Since you mentioned it look at garden of joy. If you look at the front door of the house then at the back right facing you have a jungle gym. That's a safe pallet and so is the one attached to the house and so is the optional one inside the house.

There's several "filler" rock pallets that are completely safe. The truck loop in front of the house is safe. The car park pallet loop is safe. The Jungle gym near car park is safe. And we all know shack pallet is always safe.

There's usually one weak pallet somewhere on the map but you almost miss it because of all the other 100% get out of jail free pallets.

Are you sure you know what safe/unsafe is? Both of the pallets around cars near the outside of Badham main building are unsafe. they are "fair" pallets where the killer can earn a hit via mindgame.

What we don't have anymore are "unsafe" pallets. Remember those incredibly weak pallets kinda in the middle of nowhere on the old Haddonfield? It was like 3 steps around a tree+ a pallet.

Those are fair to have in the game when we have lots of god pallets. One of the things people forget about "old" maps is that they had a lot of "trash" pallets.

If you think map design is now biased towards survivors, then don't look at old videos and how maps used to look like. Shack having 2 windows, literal infinites, many many many more pallets, vaults that now require you to break doors were the same - with exception that breakable doors didn't exist, so they were solid walls instead. Like you have now RNG where one thing or the other has window (e.g. wretched shop's main can have window on the basement side, or directly on the opposite side) - these things got created by blocking 1 existing window from old design (and RNG will just say which one is blocked this time) and many reworks shrunk maps (see old pale rose or old eyrie of crows or old old blood lodge or ...).

Map generations is super-duper killer sided these days compared to how it was. Check old videos on youtube if you don't believe me. But the funny thing is - killers were able to play the game at that time. It's only now that "the game is unplayable with how they make new maps now" totally disregarding how things actually used to be. It doesn't even matter that official stats say 60% kill rate on average - it still feels like high MMR killers barely get 1k/month by the complaints (how did they get to high MMR then? Perhaps facecamping iron+agi+deadlock+NOED bubba that never chases and is then pikachu faced, that he "can't get anyone because of horrible map design"? Yes this is extreme example, but if you only camp and tunnel w best addons, then after some time expect some of the survivors being well equipped to deal with it).

While on the other hand - soloQ is dead (meaning hardest one by huge margin) and only killer and 4-man has tolerable success rate.

-"There are so many perks that help the killer to bump gens and to hold the progression."

You should go to work for Russia with that level of spin. Two of the perks got nerfed by 70 and 75% so those are out. Eruption got changed to show auras so that's out. Pop is still dead because it's current progress. Ruin is dead because it only does 100% instead of 200% regression.

Meanwhile none of the survivor gen rush perks got touched. Toolboxes are still in a broken state (looking back at Otz's review from last year).

-"Map generations is super-duper killer sided these days compared to how it was."

Hold the hype train a moment; what you're saying is mostly true. In 2016 the shack did have two windows and one was covered forever very quickly.

What you said nothing about was that Pallets had a smaller hitbox when you drop them (which has been increased twice since then) and it had a delay on drop before the stun (instead of now where it is insant). Why does that matter? Well most of the old pallets were unsafe. It was very easy to trade a stun for a hit. And so yes some maps very rarely had 22 pallets on a map like Blood Lodge you might need to use 2 pallets within 10 seconds. You cannot loop them like you can now. Pallet looping was not available as an option until we had the larger hitbox and instant stun on drop change.

Some of the maps were just different. Did you know for example that you could trap a survivor in the top room of Ironworks of Misery? It was very easy to "keep" them there. There were no drops and the only way down was from a staircase - running all the way down. Now that map is a perfect example because there was an infinite at the top of the stairs in the chest/totem room. There was also the old nearly infinite window on that map in the main room - which is now a complete joke to use.

You need to realize that I ended most chases in that era in 30 seconds from full health to first down if there were no windows available. That's a reflection that without windows the pallets just sucked.

Also Billy could use the saw to sprint from literally any point A to any point B (with no cooldown). They reworked the maps so that's not a thing anymore but in the past a good Billy would stop his sprint a few feet from you and then resume chase.

I'm guessing you also forgot about old Shelter Woods that had a 76% kill rate (go check out one of the first few streams). It didn't have any infinite windows once the shack window got closed.

Also just as a general reflection of the time : many people on hook would try to escape a few times and they would instantly go to tier 2 because you're not supposed to do that. And don't forget hook timers were shorter. They were made longer some time around 2018 I think (maybe a little sooner).

NOED lasted forever and wasn't a totem so it could not be removed.

So while there was a lot of bad there was a lot of fun to be had for the killer too.

Most people forget but Wraith actually got a nerf when he was reworked. He didn't used to uncloak as slowly as he does now.

Bear traps used to have about twice as much surface area to "suck in" players. You could put them on a 4 lane and there was no "stepping around them" go down the lane and you hit that trap. On the flipside you could also break them forever with Sabotage.

Which brings us to the point that AGI+IG was pretty much always a basement except on Azarov's - but in that period when you dropped someone the stun was less than a second so often they took 6 steps and you hit them again. The tech of the day was dropping them against a wall so they had no tiles to work with.

Let's just call it what it is - DBD does NOT have better more fair maps now than it did before . The maps favored survivors in the past and largely speaking they still do. What changed? They look prettier and most of the pallets now are god pallets.

I am reflecting to your statement of how maps are "now" biased towards survivors - and showing you they went towards killers - directly contrasting it to your statement.

Most of the things @DBDVulture said even don't matter, because even though they are true, they are mostly irrelevant towards map design (and there were other things that helped survivors insanely - the whole game was very much survivor-sided).

The point is, that maps are "these days" much more killer sided then they were and saying "they are absolute farce these days" is just... Weird to say the least.

"I am reflecting to your statement of how maps are "now" biased towards survivors - and showing you they went towards killers - directly contrasting it to your statement."

Look at the last three maps:

Garden of Joy, Knight Map, Skull Merchant Map - those are all heavily survivor biased.

Most of the maps in the game favor a SWF that blasts a gen on one side and then a gen on the other side to destroy any possible 3 gen setup. Only a Nurse and Blight can deal with that on every tileset.