STOP BUFFING GHOSTFACE

I understand this complaint, but even with it in its current state people don't realize how to play against him. The best way to play against Trapper/GF/Hag, and even a couple other Killers, is to have 1 person dedicated to harassing the power. If 1 person is always disarming traps, or revealing Ghostie, the Killer is largely powerless, and just an M1 machine. Ghostface has 0 anti-loop whatsoever, so that means just drop the pallet or vault the window, you are safe. He has a loud cloak sound on all skins other than the bugged P2W rift cosmetic (but that might be fixed, I refused to use it out of principle), so you can hear him whenever he is close enough to be a threat. To be fair, for deaf/HoH players I can completely understand disliking Ghostie, as there actually is no counterplay at that point. If he is close enough to hear the cloak flap, he is too close for a gen Surv to reach a pallet/window more often than not if relying on visuals only. The reveal mechanic is also very unintuitive, but not to the extreme of solving Pinhead's box without stray chains hitting you. When you actually understand how it works, it is quite consistent, but without practicing in a KYF, its hard to build the muscle memory on both ends.

Ghostface doesn't need a power cooldown buff.

He was overbuffed with his last change when you consider Michael. Why does Michael's power last a minute if GF's power does the same? What?

If anything GF probably needs to have like a 40 second expose as the 30 might have been too short but 60 is too long.

Also why does GF have those stupid white line marks when someone looks at him? Remove them.

This is why I don't play him. It's all over the place with leaning and revealing. Sometimes you lean and then it gets cancelled, other times a survivor has a staring contest with him completely in the open and he just won't get revealed. Then there's the times when you try to approach from behind a wall and are revealed before the survivors even know you're there.

For the love of the entity, someone please fix this mess.

That would be awesome.

It’s basically Scratched Mirror Myers but Ghostie Boi edition.

Ghostface needs to be toned down if anything. He shouldn't have an addon that makes stalking 20% faster.

That's not what a brown addon should look like.

I'd agree that he doesn't need a CD buff for better players, and it may overtune him for the best Ghostie players. It does make Ghostie a lot more playable for newbies though, which is the majority of Ghosties people will run across. Plus, even if he had a 10s CD, he still can't reach the same levels that any Killer with an actual chase power can reach.

Overbuffed compared to Myers - I'd say no. The issue is Ghostie only exposes 1 person from stalking them, with individual stalk bars. Myers can farm stalk without exposing someone, get the down, and then insta-pop it on someone he never has even seen before. Ghostie at least needs to have 99'd you on an individual level. Also the expose duration was bumped up to 60s from 45s, not 30s.

Reveal warning - This is still important for counterplay. It allows Ghostie to not have his power hard countered by someone just starting to look at him. A good Ghostie will stick near cover so they can dip behind it to prevent the reveal. Also it is super latency based, so kinda like Doctor, not only do you have to learn the power, but also how laggy the Survivor is and will affect it. That requires more skill than most killer powers to pull off successfully, so I don't see why a higher skill expression factor should be removed. He still is stuck along the framework of an M1 killer, so minor intel when you are in the process of being revealed is a decent non-chase aspect to be given. If he could Legion/Myers vault faster in Night Shroud, or throw his knife, then maybe he would need to be tuned down in other areas, but for now you want someone with near nothing to have less.

Also this is a big nothing burger. It drops a 5s stalk to 4s, and a 2.5s lean stalk to a 2s lean stalk. Saving ~2s every minute or so is exactly the realm of a brown addon. Also in what universe should Ghostie be nerfed before the likes of Nurse/Blight/Spirit/Wesker/Artist/Twins? They all have insane lethality that can bypass most loop designs, but Ghostie still has to play the loop. The only player getting free-downed to a Ghostie is an unaware Survivor, which shouldn't they go down if they were that unaware?

Edit: Myers does need love too, but a very simple 24s->20s CD and .2m/s boost to crouch speed is simple enough for Ghostie. Myers needs much more in-depth help. I'd go as far as removing T1, except with Scratched Mirror, which would nerf vault speeds and movement speed to match its current values, maybe even 4.3 instead of 4.2.

-"Overbuffed compared to Myers - I'd say no. The issue is Ghostie only exposes 1 person from stalking them, with individual stalk bars."

GF can stalk multiple people at once unlike Michael who was able to multistalk on release but got nerfed.

-"Edit: Myers does need love too, but a very simple 24s->20s CD and .2m/s boost to crouch speed is simple enough for Ghostie. Myers needs much more in-depth help."

The devs have said they have no plans to change MM and with that in mind it makes no sense that they would massively overbuff GF. They are franchise killers.

me to ....

it feels awful playing as him and getting revealed on such weird angles , and as survivor not even be able to reveal him because of how janky and inconsistent his reveal detection is at certain ranges / objects ; is such a total mess of mechanic IMO.

I hate that a lot😂

his old reveal mechanic was more functional IMO , the one that they change when legion also was reworked , completely broke his reveal mechanic in some waays am telling you ...

"the box detection" is way more inconsistent as killer and survivor on top of the fact that they reduced the maximun range to reveal him. (which is fair , because you shouldnt be able to reveal the killer across 50 meters)

but also you shouldnt be revealed behind 2 walls just because there is tiny little gap -not visible (in the object collision of a map)

and as survivor you shouldnt be looking directly at the killer at 5 METERS and still not even starting to reveal him just because some random object blocks the reveal box somehow.

thats just annoying and stupid for both sides , am sorry but it is

Oh no, horror game is scary

that used to be his iri add-on. it was 40% faster when leaning but -20% when not leaning. they made leaning slower but normal stalking faster. the only change i want for GF is ability to hit a survivor without losing all stalk progress. The cooldown changes are very nice though. sadly survivor plays always complain when the killer gets improved.

It's not, people are just being dramatic. He's one of the weakest killers. The devs actually ought to do more, like make all the other outfits match the backwoods outfit's cloak noise volume. Strong add-ons are fine since.....oh yeah.....He can do little to nothing in chase.