The Community ruined this game

I just want to add my own two cents to the discussion.

1st - I have found that the most successful way to change this (atleast from my own perspective and ingame experience), is to be the change you want to see in the game's player community/behavior.

-If you think its unfun when all the otherside does is "sweat to win", then this feels less bad when you stop caring about winning.

-If you think the players always harass in chat, simply say something nice and leave (or turn off chat/leave before its shown).

2nd - People are allowed to played games both for fun and to win (and they can do both at the same time).

-Some killers (Ex: twins) might need to slug no matter how unfun it is for the otherside. Slugging is fun on twins because you are hopping (literally) from chase to chase as victor staying engaged with many players. This is also, arguably, the only way the twins have a viable chance to snowball and win. This is often miserable for the survivors.

3rd - Your rant will likely do more to perpetuate this player behavior than to help. So unfortunately, your best bet is probably playing a different game.

If you hate the community, you should honestly not play this game. Or atleast, only play bot matches and customs with your friends so you can enjoy the aspects of the game you do enjoy.

Personally, I am genuinely impressed with how the devs have been listening to the community more and more as of late. I think the incoming "report feedback system" will do great things from the perspective you're experiencing. That way when people are outright racist, homophobic, etc. and are reported, you'll receive notice if they are punished/banned. Unfortunately, you can't stop people from just "being mean" but that is not isolated to dbd, hell that's not even isolated to multiplayer video games. The internet is full of people looking to be mean behind anonymity, but that's not the game's fault. Nor the devs. Nor the majority of the DbD player base.

I sincerely hope you are able to enjoy DbD again or whatever game you go to instead.

You would need to balance the game for competitive play full stop if you want to actually have people split off. You'd also need to make playing a comp ranked mode worthwhile with ranked mode specific rewards like cosmetics. Honestly, I think that would do more harm than good though because then you end up with the problem mobas tend to have where the game balance focus will almost always interfere with casual players' enjoyment. Something working too well in comp mode? It gets nerfed even though the thing is fun for casual players it can't be allowed to exist.

Could make a completely separate balance pass for ranked mode, but that massively increase the workload of the devs.

Yeah, and I don't think the devs have the manpower to do that.

This game needs a system in place that places players with less than 100 hours in a queue of their own. As well as a system that allows players to give each other commendations.

The game needed this over a year ago.

Not a community issue.

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BHVR have done things to attempt to curb it. One time I reported a rather terrible individual and they did take action on the guy (he moaned about it on Steam) so to say they do practically nothing isn't entirely accurate. One thing which shall help is the intended introduction of seeing what reports have been acted on. That may give players more confidence in what is being done to assist.

However, one thing I believe you would be right to say they haven't spoken loudly enough about the toxicity. I could say some streamers and influencers are equally responsible for advocating these behaviours - even advertising them as content because it brings in the most views.

yeah, I genuinely think it is a matchmaking issue.

I don't believe BHVR designed their matchmaker to create evenly matched lobbies. Patrick told us long ago that the only thing matchmaking is trying to do is make sure you win every once and a while. BHVR is emulating the pathological effects of gambling--many of us (particularly solo/duo players) are gambling every time we queue into another game.

Rather than enjoying the game for what it is, we become addicted to the "big win," which is that dopamine release we receive every few games when the matchmaker feeds us a lobby we actually belong in.

I've played since 2016 and this wasn't necessarily always an issue but it started becoming more competitive when BHVR felt the need to touch up the rank system. This was due to players complaining that matches were unfair, had no rewards, there was no progression, etc. So progressively over time in an attempt to balance the game BHVR keeps touching up the rank system so it's more a matter of careful what you wish for. I know you personally didn't ask for it but more so over the years the community has demanded the same thing and BHVR has tried over and over because they seemingly are uncertain what to stick to at times. Anybody remember the Victory Cube?

As for the "community" ruining this game - Does DBD really have a community. We have the forums, Reddit, the official Discord and various Twitch communities but every part of the playerbase is so isolated from each other to a degree it doesn't really feel like a collective community - just a bunch of smaller groups. Community just kind of feels like a buzzword thrown around. Granted I feel this may be a hot take but I feel the biggest issues with DBD has always stimmed from Twitch communities or DBD personalities - Mostly toxic ones that were enabled by BHVR before they actually started focusing on community development. Things are a lot better now but I feel the worst aspects of what you'd refer to as community in DBD stem from the entitled mentality formed years ago.

Honestly my worst experiences in this game outside of Death threats and being ddos'd before a report system and dedicated servers became a thing were from mid level streamers who I'd just constantly run into who had a toxic audience or they were ######### for the sake of providing content for their stream.

Banning a player here and there is still practically nothing. People were able to get a bunch of free accounts via Epic Store. Similar to the hacking issue, banning hackers itself doesn't stop hackers because they can just jump to the next account, because BHVR gave away a bunch.

Ultimately BHVR provides no incentive to not being toxic and banning a few people here and there has done nothing to reduce to amount of toxic players people are encountering.

"but it started becoming more competitive when BHVR felt the need to touch up the rank system" ofc xDD

ahh you mean the "competitive matchmaking" which according to the statistics also shows that it is the same garbage as the emblem system, the stats of red ranks was freddy the killer with mostly kills, nurse, blight, spirit were far away from other killers, with MMR (high mmr 5%) Wesker, Plague, Dreadge are much more advanced than who? right Nurse, Blight, Spirit, the statistics alone show that people who think like you either have no idea what they are talking about or they talk themselves into it so much that they believe the lies themselves that the game is "sweatyer" because of mmr, the old matchmaking that was in there at the beginning it wasn't good but it was totally ok a real matchmaking it stayed in the game for about half a year until bhvr made it a hidden emblem system then what you said would be true but it's not so!

but it doesn't matter... this community is so weepy just embarrassing xD your dirty task is to make 5 gens as a survivor and run out through the exit gate as a killer you try to stop it with all means if you don't feel like it take a break or look for another game! damn it, i've never seen anything stupid like that, it's also just a dbd phenomenon, after years of csgo (played main for 3 years), i heard someone who said "sweaty, why do you always try to kill the opponent every round, just play a few rounds with pistols instead of always buying an ak" or in league "why do you always try to fight through and destroy the nexsus of your opponent? play less sweaty and only kill the monsters next to you" what's that? right if you do this too often you will be reported (rightly so!) you are just a griefer because your task and the fun of it is to play the game, csgo: kill opposing team, league: kill opponents and destroy their tower first, dbd: make 5 gens and go out through the exit gate, killer must prevent it, PLAY THE GAME OR LEAVE IT! First of all, don't complain about people who are good, good at looping - killers who are good at mindgaming and playing efficiently, make them think that's a bad thing, if you're too bad and can't loop that's it, but don't start useless and use it as an argument "I'm not sweaty" no! you want to play dbd without playing dbd take the perks you like but if the killer wants to tunnel you and win then he is not a "sweaty" because if you want to admit it you are just no good and easy prey for him , if I go in with my 9k+ hrs perkless and the killer me tunnel I'll still finish him :))

the real problem is that people who aren't good ehmm sorry I mean of course "casual not sweaty or chill survivor" are matched with others who are too good for them but I've given up with dbd and the worst mm i ever see, I've got my eye on texas chainsaw massacre where I don't care if I'm matched with bad mates because I can escape for myself it's a dream, people who are bad and don't want to "sweat" can just die I don't care because I don't need them xD

Console was certainly lucky in that respect, although it did not stop people from messaging afterwards. It's an example of them not speaking and acting loud enough.

It's a shame that people are not able to monitor and keep in check their feelings. There are a fair few players out there who feel it's acceptable to conduct themselves in such a way as to hurt others, all over a stupid trial.

It's interesting to consider what is happening in their world to feel this weak, but often forgotten are those who endure this. We do not know what is happening in their lives when someone starts telling them to kill themselves because they "gen-rushed". There are worse things on this planet than losing the game in under 10 minutes. BHVR really need to be seen to be working on this. I do not doubt they are, but it's not good if they are not seen as proactive. Image is important.

i just wanted to come back to this thread because i think this is a very interesting talking point for a lot of communities as a whole rather than just dead by daylight's

i myself have personally noticed a serious uptick in negative voices in a lot of communities as a gamer, artist, nerd, you name it i've probably been involved one or twice. all sorts of fandoms for all sorts of mediums

yet, there's always a seemly overwhelming presence of individuals who set way too high of expectations or induce a sense of misery. i don't know why this is, or what psychology and technicalities have to say about it, but it's really saddening to witness how more and more people seem to be having way less fun with things or take things way too seriously. have they gotten bored? do they not know how to enjoy things for themselves? is it because they want to be in control of how content is consumed to suit their vision? what is their vision exactly?

there's so many questions and not enough answers for this sort of thing, and i feel like emotions take the lead way too much when it comes to a community coming together. unfortunately the only way we'll ever form a more positive community with anything is by starting with ourselves first and being the change we want to see

In my opinion, the situation tends to worsen during events. Personally, I'm striving to achieve P100 Meg, and I rely on using a cake every game to maximize my progress. When I encounter an offering screen with five cakes, I feel excited, only to be later disappointed by a Wesker player who camps and tunnels at the five generators. It's disheartening to think about the poor survivor on that hook who won't be able to earn many points. I've had multiple games like this, and it's reached a point where I don't want to participate in the Anniversary event anymore. It's unfortunate because I genuinely enjoy these events, but the player base on both sides often ruins the experience. As a survivor, I find it increasingly difficult to enjoy the events due to these negative encounters.

It's a scientific fact that anyone who says "skill issue" regarding dbd can't finish any old platformer/beat em up and suck at any somewhat balanced pvp game like shooters/fighters.