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This kind of slugging shouldn't be possible

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  • solarjin1
    solarjin1 Member Posts: 2,262

    i don't slug for the 4k because it take to damn long. The last survivor always go into hiding and honestly i couldn't be bother to look for them

  • KateMain86
    KateMain86 Member Posts: 2,374

    I'm guessing you didn't read my OP or really look at the screenshot I posted above. Its one thing for survivors to be punished for their mistakes, but leaving 3 people on the ground just so you can guarantee you get the 4k is abusing slugging. In the screenshot I posted above you can see that 2 of the 3 survivors on the ground are recovered and the third is almost there. This should never be possible. These survivors should be able to pick themselves up after being on the ground for that long. All of this happened because the killer refused to hook the survivors which is their primary objective. Killers who refuse to hook survivors in a timely manner should be punished for it. There is no positive argument for this.

  • KateMain86
    KateMain86 Member Posts: 2,374

    Imagine if those generators could do themselves simply by survivors doing nothing after working on them for a moment. But were supposed to be Ok with the killer winning by leaving everyone on the ground and ignoring the hooks. Maybe its not about survivors needing to play better as much as its about killers playing without abusing slugging. The killer and survivor power difference in this game is too wide.

  • fulltonon
    fulltonon Member Posts: 5,762
    edited June 2023

    LOL, killer downed survivors, which is equivalent of generators, what are you talking about.

    And yeah I still agree, if everyone is downed killers should get 12 hooks and instantly win, so no one has to waste time.

    That's purely your subjective opinion and game isn't made like that at all.

    But alas BHVR gonna hear for those kind of things, sadge.

  • Firellius
    Firellius Member Posts: 4,580

    If team A is teabagging at the exit gates, it's not team A that's getting slugged out, is it?

    It really is team C taking the heat for it.

  • KateMain86
    KateMain86 Member Posts: 2,374

    It absolutely is the killer playing unfairly. Also there is a difference between survivors screwing up and the killer abusing a mechanic in the game for their own advantage. The situation in the screenshot above had no remedy. Once the killer saw another survivor in range of the first downed one it was over. 2 survivors are not going to knock out 5 gens in time and my team realized that. If the new norm is going to be slug 1 and bait another then no one is going to put up with that for very long.

    And yes, slugging isn't fun which is why I think it shouldn't be a part of the game anymore. It completely ruins the survivor experience and gives the killer a massive unfair advantage. It takes survivors too long to recover from situations in this game. Having that on top of having to deal with constant slugging just makes the game a miserable experience.

  • KateMain86
    KateMain86 Member Posts: 2,374

    I'm not saying punish killers for downing survivors. I'm saying punish killers who leave survivors on the ground for long periods of time. You do realize if every match was only killers going around downing survivors and ignoring hooks altogether that this game would not be fun to play as survivor.

  • KayTwoAyy
    KayTwoAyy Member Posts: 1,701

    The valid argument here is that a game should be fun for all involved, particularly when it requires multiple willing participants/opponents to take place.

    If a game can't be fun for both sides, it might as well be single-player.

  • Blinckx
    Blinckx Member Posts: 426

    Fine, then remove all the pallets and vault in the game because for the killer chasing someone around a pallet or shack is not fun.

    Are you ok with this change right ? I mean, you just said the game should be fun for both side no matter what so...


    It's BHVR that should make the game enjoyable for both side, it's not one side responsability to make the game enjoyable for the other side

  • illNicola
    illNicola Member Posts: 482

    I have bad news for you too. If you think that an organized sabo squad is easy to face just by "hooking 2 survs" well you probably never faced a strong sabo squad. At least, if there aren't any unbreakable or max 1 is easy, with 4 unbreakable is a living hell if they know how to play. I don't except you to understand, my only error in that match was that I didn't remember who used unbreakable since they had all the same outfit

  • KayTwoAyy
    KayTwoAyy Member Posts: 1,701

    It's BHVR that should make the game enjoyable for both side, it's not one side responsability to make the game enjoyable for the other side

    Now you get it. This is exactly OP's point.

  • KayTwoAyy
    KayTwoAyy Member Posts: 1,701

    The title of this thread is "this kind of slugging shouldn't be possible." In other words, "developers, do something about this."

    The body of their post goes on to state "this is why we need basekit abilities to deal with these situations."

    I'm sorry, but you are wrong. OP is calling on BHVR to do something about this.

    Forgive me for not reading all of OP's replies in this 5-page discussion, but if they later went on to scrutinize players for this behavior, those are supplementary opinions which exist only as commentary, and are not to be confused with OP's intentions here.

    This is a gross overgeneralization of the community, that is neither constructive nor cooperative.

    For starters, this is hypocrisy. You are guilty of the very complaint you lob against "survivors." My comment is completely neutral--I've merely observed that this community continues to argue about features that are notoriously unejoyable for at least one side--yet you've leapt off of it like a springboard designed to dunk on "survivors."

    What's up with that?

    Why are you making this out to be a partisan issue?

    Do you really think someone will want to have a discussion with you if you're constantly working under the pretense that someone who disagrees with you must then also hold opinions A, B, C, and D?

    Do you not see how destructive that is?

  • KayTwoAyy
    KayTwoAyy Member Posts: 1,701

    It sounds like I walked into a discussion that has shifted away from, or was intentionally misleading about, it's original message. I apologize for taking you as one to paint others with a broad brush.

    I followed the discussion when it was originally created, weeks ago, and did not recall the conversation devolving into the absurdity you describe.


    To OP's credit, they spent 2 full pages trying to keep respondants on-topic, as this discussion became increasingly inundated with whataboutism from people who disagree with OP on the basis of "your side isn't allowed to get nice things unless my side gets nice things."

    It looks like once you prodded OP on their thesis, you found some skeletons hiding in the closet. ...or just someone who is inexperienced with game design/theory. Either way, you're both advocating for something to be done, and I find it comical that such conversations are hindered by those who cry "what about me?"

  • Thusly_Boned
    Thusly_Boned Member Posts: 3,029
    edited June 2023

    Let me preface this by saying I hate slugging, and I will only slug for 4K if I can see the last survivor when I down the third, and even then only if I am making my last push to Iri 1 and need the pips. I am not a fan of slugging as a strategy.

    I think basekit unbreakable and basekit deerstalker is a decent solution.

    That said, all four survs being on the ground at once is the product of one of two conditions:

    1. The killer is waaaaay better than the survs.
    2. The survs played really poorly.

    Leaving them down is a killer choice (and lame one), but in a situation where there is a relatively even match and the survs play even decently it's extremely unlikely that all four end up on the ground at once.

  • MrPenguin
    MrPenguin Member Posts: 2,426

    Tbf what I wrote previously does look that way without context and I could have been a little more specific, but thank you for being forthcoming.

    I agree, it is hard to talk about these things for the reasons you mentioned.

  • KateMain86
    KateMain86 Member Posts: 2,374

    This is why I can't convince my friends to play this game again. The killer decided to hook 2 and left me and the other survivor to bleed out. For what reason you might ask? For some kind of tactical advantage to "win" the match? No. They did this to be toxic.



  • Devil_hit11
    Devil_hit11 Member Posts: 9,308

    you know what would help this situation? Killer finisher Mori. It would avoid situations where the killer is purposely toxic.

  • KateMain86
    KateMain86 Member Posts: 2,374

    I prefer the killer not be rewarded for playing this way.

  • EmmaFrostyEyes
    EmmaFrostyEyes Member Posts: 685

    Well one positive thing i can say is you are playing the best survivor in the game. Shes so cute😭

  • EmmaFrostyEyes
    EmmaFrostyEyes Member Posts: 685

    I gotta say it was funny reading the same people (defending everything killer related) defending bleeding people out as valid. Either unbreakable base when only 2 survivors are left our a bleedout option when being left on ground for a long time.

    I really got to see all the common tru3 fan replies: “just bring said perk”, “just loop better”, “why should your fun be more more important to my fun”, the “survivor rule book”💀

  • H2H
    H2H Member Posts: 811
    edited June 2023

    Apparently if all survivors go down it’s through no fault of their own, they have no obligation to do anything to help each other or run away or hide and should just win by default.

  • KateMain86
    KateMain86 Member Posts: 2,374

    At no point in this entire conversation has it ever been mentioned or implied that survivors should "win by default" for all of them being downed. You're taking the point of the subject and making extreme arguments and opinions about it.

  • KateMain86
    KateMain86 Member Posts: 2,374

    I hope you understand that if every killer decided to ignore the hooks entirely this game would be the most miserable, unfun and boring experience for survivor players imaginable. Killers would camp the first downed survivor forcing the rest of the team to let them bleed out. The entire game would turn into nothing but altruism and there would be little to no time at all to work on gens.

  • C3Tooth
    C3Tooth Member Posts: 8,266

    I only have one survivor per 10 matches that tbag or spam vaulting. Im sorry you live in a region full of BM players.

  • Firellius
    Firellius Member Posts: 4,580

    I don't think you yourself understand what you're saying. You are not bleed-out slugging the same folks that tbag at the exit gate. because the folks that are tbagging at the exit gate will just leave if you knock them down.

    Conversely, if you are bleedout slugging someone, they're not at the exit gates teabagging. There is no overlap between these two because there cannot be.