Made for This Just Proves Survivors can't have Good Perk

There’s actually one on the front page now. Here:

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3443805#Comment_3443805

I might add more later, if I feel like it. I’m pretty busy right now.

People can throw the game by many other means if they can

They don't need to use a single perk to do so

That is the lie killer mains put forth to get the perk nerfed. Then, strangely, they started complaining about survivors giving up on hook. Lol.

No it is wayway more stronger than SB

And even don't cost exhaustion.

In a 24 m chasing, it's already as strong as SB,but MFT would active forever.

The 25%more distance for everything in chasing just too game breaking.

3% haste shouldn't come that easily? What about a free 5% for getting repeatedly outplayed at a LT wall?

Man, if only Made For This was basekit, scaled every 15 seconds, worked while healthy or exhausted, and wasn't half the strength of tier 1 of a basekit killer mechanic.

Oh boy, you better don't open that can of worms when there where multiple hardcore meta perks that took YEARS to get effectively nerfed.

I mean CoH was beyond busted, (why was it better than Self-Care when it works for everyone?!?) and now it is still strong, but not overpowering. I do agree that DS and DH shouldn't have been nerfed, or if anything DH should have been changed to special attack endurance instead. That being said Sprint Burst always was better than DH in the vast majority of matches, DH just hit harder psychologically.

As far as MFT, I have only run into 1 or 2 Survs running it. It kinda feels like the boogeyman that everyone says it exists under your bed, but when you check there is nothing there. Even then the few Survivors that did use it just seemed to misuse it and go down quicker due to greeding pallets. The only facet I agree about nerfing is it really is 2 perks in 1, and the healing endurance should be removed and put onto a new perk, or a weaker existing one.

yeah, that's the option, but then there is a second problem - 2 floored maps

Just imagine the situation: It's an endgame, exit gates are already opened (99%), you hooked survivor on the first floor of, for example, Midwich, and camping him, trying to secure a kill. But there are two survivors on the second floor, that just cycle their Reassurances indefenitly, so, camped survivor never dies. It kinda becomes hatch hook standoff. Whoever moves first, loses in the end

And even without endgame scenario, on 2 floored maps it was still a problem imo

When survivors get good perks they are often really good. Borderline unbalanced good in ways that are easily noticed during PTB by both sides. Killers have went through 3 straight chapters with worthless to lackluster perks that probably aren't slated to receive any changes for quite a while if at all.

The people who are really getting y'all perks preemptively nerfed is dedicated testers and squads who basically only try to push the extreme limits of what can be done with survivor perks lately. Killers are more focused on pushing their powers than perks and considering how bad the perks on that side has been along with underwhelming killer powers there isn't much that needed to be nerfed on that side. No real need to trim out power when you didn't put enough power in to start with.

I dunno about that. Eventually either the survivors attempting to rescue would get hit/downed (depending on the killer), open the gates triggering EGC and if unable to save would need to leave or die to EGC, or simply get the save off and then have to open the gates to trigger EGC creating a scenario where either 1 or 2 happens.

Dead Hard had a very high pickrate, but at its hight I think it was in 75% of the higher MMR games, with something like 65% globaly over all ranges.

Nowhere to Hide has a range and is countered by Distortion, not to mention if you notice the killer coming toward you immediately

Superior Anatomy requires a vault within 8 meters and works best as a mindgame tool and then deactivates for 30 seconds

Hubris is only viable on some killers and a Spirit Fury build, or getting hit by an unsafe pallet with enduring. 20 second cooldown.

MFT is 3% speed for being hurt. Can you see the difference in activation and deactivation?

Being damaged isn't as horrible as people make it out to be. The only reason being healthy is better is to survive in a deadzone or to be quiet. If you're in a decent loop you can survive a long time against most M1 killers, the same M1 killers this perk damages.

And as most of us have said, Dark Theory is a boon that can be snuffed and takes preparation and works in a set area with a small timer outside that area, that's why it's not complained about. If MFT's haste had a set time as well, I guarantee it wouldn't have this big of a backlash aside the few who lost to it within that timeframe.

its bad game design. being given a speed boost simply for being injured its like saying dead hard was fine even though the conditions for being given it were so easy to achieve that it made all the other exhaustion perks pale in comparison lamo. made for this hurts the weakest killers, but does nothing against the strongest killers. So your point?

While it is true that proper survivor meta perk releases have been awfully sparse (a mere handful in these entire 7 years), Made For This does feel a little too strong.

3% doesn't sound like a lot, but if you think of it as "reduces the speed differential between the survivor and the killer by 20%", you get an idea of how significant it is. Take a starting distance of 10m - without MFT, it takes a killer ~16.6s to catch up; with MFT, it takes ~20.8s (both instances ignoring lunge): those 4.2s translate to an additional 16.8m the survivor can run before the killer has caught up, meaning it will often be much more likely they reach a pallet or window. The survivor always gets to cover 20% more ground in a chase than they otherwise would have.

The secondary, tacked-on effect of MFT is also pretty impactful, it can allow for various clutch plays, and has some good synergies (most of all Soul Guard and We're Gonna Live Forever, fortunately they've made For The People not work with MFT).

What's additionally problematic about the perk is that it particularly benefits good survivors that can abuse the extra catch-up time, as well as being particularly detrimental for M1 killers. But even killers that have chase abilities can struggle, as they usually get slowed down while readying their powers, and the extra distance the survivor makes during this time due to MFT can change the dynamic of the chase quite a bit.

That all said, I don't think MFT is as busted or problematic as it is sometimes being made out to. First of all, players that are good in chase and can really reliably abuse the extra speed are rare, the vast majority of survivors you'll meet would benefit more from Overcome or Sprint Burst most of the time, as those perks allow them to actually just hold W without much of a care. Then MFT obviously prohibits the use of a fair few Exhaustion perks, which are the most impactful chase perks, and even if you can use some of the more selective ones alongside it (such as Dead Hard or Balanced Landing), as soon as you activate them you lose the entire functionality of MFT. Blood Echo, Fearmonger and Exhaustion add-ons further play into this. And in general it can be said that chase perks will never be as strong as second chance, macro or gen perks, because they only give value if you actually get chased, and in an actual chase scenario at that (not in a deadzone, not caught out by surprise, not in a scenario where the killer will just injure and leave you again). So if BHVR is to err on the side of "a little too strong" to finally bring a meta-worthy survivor perk again, it's good if they do so in case of a chase perk. Dead Hard was a ridiculously strong chase perk and had been around for years and years, and while people were right to complain about it, it didn't ruin the killer experience (competent killers still won most of their matches, good killers still almost never lost). Most players just aren't great in chase, so much so that DH was just as if not even more famous for creating comical situations of survivors messing up as it was for being busted. Plus chase perks are usually the most fun perks to use (DH certainly was), as the chase is the most exciting and engaging gameplay aspect.

Anyway, a nerf will probably come at some point, so here is what I would hope that may look like:

Simply remove the Endurance effect of the perk. It isn't the stronger part, but it just being there in addition does push the perk into "feels a little too strong" territory.

Or reduce the speed increase to 2%.

Or make it so that instead of being disabled by Exhaustion, the perk now causes Exhaustion whenever you are injured, but it itself is not affected by Exhaustion. This would make it much more difficult to use Exhaustion perks alongside MFT, as you cannot guarantee to get use out of your Exhaustion perk while healthy (particularly of course given that you cannot always heal up again, and that you are injured when you get unhooked).

TBF i don't think troubleshooter is a useful perk,meme it's more like a toy level.