Convince me why slugging for the 4k is needed

I break all the totems solo for BP pretty regularly, SWF is not required. Even when I 'm in a SWF I'm usually the only one who does the totems lol. It would be more efficient if they did obviously, but it's not needed.

Bringing a map or totem perk helps a ton, which is more than fair. Using 1/16 of the survivor perks to potentially out 1/4 of the killer's as well as any other hexes is a pretty good deal.

Also like others have said, just wait for it to send out its "break me I'm here" beacon if you don't want to do any of that.

As the game is now its not inherently toxic to go for the 4k by slugging #3, as you need to account for hatch.

Now if hatch was removed that'd be a different story. Assuming nothing takes its place.

Bleed out on the ground is kinda in the same boat due to being able to pull yourself off the hook. Remove it, make hooks respawn from sacrifice, and fix hook dead zones and there'd be no excuse.

As I said earlier, bad mechanics beget other bad mechanics.

Because you need to do that to get adept achiement done otherwise is not worth the effort for killer.

All survivors going out of their way to never be seen by the killer with all other tasks secondary sounds like a thrilling experience for the killer. Lol

Want to remove slugging for 4k? Ask the devs to remove the hatch.

The hatch isn’t just a mechanism that benefits the survivors, as a game mechanic it encourages survivors to not just remain hidden when they’re the last person up. Without it, if gens aren’t done the killer can’t even open a gate to trigger the end game collapse.

Then the correct play for the last survivor is as soon as they see their team mate go down (or suspect it’s imminent) - go to the gate farthest from where the player was downed and wait. Remember, the context here - the suggested change is that killers won’t slug the 2nd to last person if we got rid of hatch. If they still slug that 2nd to last person, then all that’s being done is buffing endgame for killers by getting rid of the hatch mechanic.

It’s not fear that killers will slug one of the survivors, it’s just the context of this discussion. The person suggested getting rid of hatch in exchange for killers no longer slugging for the 4K. Besides, they do that anyway so it’s not like that would be new behavior.

Hiding in hopes the killer downs the other survivor first or pointing team mates out has nothing to do with the hatch. So long as 1 remaining survivor can escape and killers can grant mercy, some people are going to do that. It’s bad behavior, certainly, but it’s not the hatch’s fault.

There are side effects of tying hatch spawn to number of gens one of which is even more encouragement to gen rush and disregard unhooks.

Kill rates are currently roughly where they want them, yes? What effect do you think removing the hatch would have on those numbers and what nerfs do you think killers will receive to bring them back down? You can’t change something like the existence of hatches in isolation and not expect there to be side effects.

Someone played within the rules, that you don't like so you get to trash them?

So anyone with a flashlight i can thrash their rep? or any swf?

Plenty of survs don't see their behaviour as "jerkish" that's in the eye of the beholder. Again just because you don't like my playstyle anymore than i may like yours is not a reason to be able to badrep someone.

SoloQueue now has communication in the form of the action icons of the HUD. You now know what your teammates are doing at all times. You can tell if they’re on a gen, doing nothing, cleansing a totem, hooked, opening a chest, healing, cleansing a debuff, slugged, or are in a chase. If you pay attention, you can see if someone was on a gen and let go of it and can usually assume they’re going for a rescue. Nearly everything you can communicate on Comms is give to you visually.

Knowing where the dead zones are is part of your job as a survivor. You keep your eyes open and pay attention to where the killers been. Listen for their terror radius and if you don’t hear them chasing near by, then it’s safe to assume your local resources are still available. You can also use your eyes as you make way from generator to generator and make note of what resources are available. If you struggle to do that, you can crutch in Windows of Opportunity like I do.

Theres no excuse for anymore Solo Queue buffs in terms of communications. You have everything handed to you and you have plenty of perks to fill in any of your individual weaknesses.

As I said earlier, it’s only a case of bad matchmaking and getting gud.

Otherwise, learn how to make friends and play SWF if solo queue is so unbearable. That is still an option.

Just remove the hatch temporarily. Like they removed bloodlust temporarily. See what happens.

The hatch is an outdated game mechanic, that needs to go. Removing it, would instantly solve the slugging for 4k issue.

Now also change the requirement for the achievements to allow earning it, when 1 escapes and slugging for 4k will be reduced.

You know you cam quote mutiple people in one post? just use the quote button on each post and it combines it into one post.

You're welcome.

Yeah I do, do you have anything to suggest otherwise?

Just because you're incapable or unwilling, doesn't mean everyone is. Not everyone is a sweaty gen jokey player, although given the survivor base I can see why that might be hard to believe.

I don't like when killers tunnel/slug or when survivors slam gens, so I don't do either when I'm playing the respective side. I stick by my beliefs that if survivors want killers to play more casually/slowly they need to do the same. Maybe if more would do that instead of perpetuating hypocrisy we would be in a better gaming environment.

So I do totems as it lets me get BP with potential other benefits depending, while also giving killers some of the breathing room they need to reasonably play without sweat tactics if they so choose.