Why lightborn is problematic

I don't see the issue. If a casual killer player doesn't want to learn playing against this tactic, he can sacrifice a perk-slot. It's not a small price to pay, and I feel it's good flashlight value for survivors when it happens.

It's also my impression that everyone drops Lightborn sooner or later.

You forgot about another part of getting Survivors to a hook, bodyblocking. Survivors still have that.

What exactly do you want to do that bots don't? You can loop, you can mind game the killer, are these not viable options?

But you don't want to do gens or heal, because that's what bots do?

You're not always going to get value out of a flashlight and that's okay because Lightborn is extremely limited in what it does. The killer is immune to blinds and gets a bit of aura reading, but it is literally all it does. It's not a good a perk by any metric, but like a lot of killer perks it has a specific function that can be helpful in exchange for not having a slot to run more universally accepted good perks.

Now that isn't what you want to hear, but it is the case. It's not the specific blinding animation that is the problem it is all the animations a killer has in the game where they lose control of the camera for short period of time. Also the fact that there are now more sources of blinding available outside of flashlights that sort of necessitate the use of a perk that otherwise actually got used very rarely. The worst thing for flashlight users was the moment they started adding other items and perks that gave the ability to blind. People didn't use to waste a slot on lightborn unless basically the whole lobby pulled out beamers, but once you started getting other stuff to produce blinds and players started going hog wild with it a bad perk became crucial for a lot of players who either didn't want to deal with blinds from a gameplay perspective or an accessibility perspective.

One would think that maybe the problem isn't Lightborn and killers, but design decisions that should be rethought around blinds and the massive lockdown on graphic options.

Lightborn doesn't negate an entire build in any sort of fashion. It just prevents blinds and if you're trying to make entire builds around constantly blinding the killer then you've got a different problem.

I can't decypher what are you saying anymore.

By your logic, every player is bad. Devs included. If you use any perk other than No Mither, I gladly point out how bad you are for using crutches instead of getting better.

You can achieve the same thing by body-blocking or hook sabotage.

Personally. I only use Lightborn if I see 3 or 4 people with a flashlight in my lobby.

You're giving Franklin's as an alternative to it, but it essentially does the same thing. It removes the ability to be blinded. I personally simply get tired when I get blinded during the breaking of a pallet and they feel like doing it a couple more times afterwards. It's incredibly disorienting, which I suppose is the purpose. But also induced headaches, like one person here has already mentioned. It's a decent counter for when you as a killer get the feeling that this next group of survivors, is a bully squad. That's my only reason for using it.

If the blinding animation would either be able to be adjusted, or simply changes. And the moveset for picking up a survivor or anything else that locks the camera in a certain position might get some changes, then I'll drop it entirely.

But other than that. Saying its a perk that simply allows people to be lazy and not learn how to play the game "correctly" is a bit of a problematic thing to say. I could then also counter you with saying how the perk from Bill that allows you to see the hatch at the end is just as problematic because killers don't have anything like that.

In my opinion; a single perk should not entirely counter a certain playstyle. Blind builds are rendered completely useless by one perk. I don't think that's fair.

And any killer running light born has no right to complain about gen rushing, because they have eliminated an entire playstyle and forced survivors to do gens as fast as possible in order to escape. Otherwise, they'd be wasting time trying to get saves and not stuck on gens.

I don't even get mad when I see Franklin's, because that is more spread out across the board to combat multiple playstyles at once and not entirely countering one.

You don't give flashlights enough credit, in the right conditions they are menacing tools. At higher MMR you have to contend with more teams being able to play with a high level of efficiency so running lightborn is possible, but ill-advised because at that point you really want to use your perk slots to optimize either your chase, slowdown, or info generation. That's the exact concept behind things becoming meta in the power role.

You don't really want to spend a slot perma-locking lightborn if you don't have to. The most fun item for survivors should probably be something other than flashlights, which as I said are in a fine place. They have a very specific function that when it works there very little that can stop it aside from using lightborn because the times when people use flashlights the most are the times the killer is not allowed to tilt their head to dodge the beam. I get you want to do stuff with flashlights more often, but playing against them every single game is not only aggravating, but pain inducing. That's how about 75-80% of my games are, people using flashlights, flashbangs, and blast mines. Now killer doesn't really have much in the way of accessibility features to help someone like me who has slight hearing sensitivity issues and really shouldn't be getting constantly IRL blinded by playing a video game.

Sabo's annoying, but at least it doesn't cause me pain and both sides can actually play around it evenly depending on hook RNG. If someone is consistently dodging your beam there it's the same as having lightborn just without the aura reading. So it ain't like you're going to get anymore blinds then you already would depending on your skill level. Lightborn just allows us to not have to have every pallet break, locker grab, and pick up result in getting bombarded by the light of god.

Maybe if the devs made it so you couldn't do back to back blinds in rapid succession, reworked the visual to not be a pain inducing color filter and just made killers put their hands up or cover their face with their weapon, and got rid of blast mine I'd be more inclined to consider this. Yet, even then lightborn's not unhealthy for the game nor is it problematic and nor is it magically robbing survivors of fun. Killer perks are by design seemingly meant to be a little unfair, but they are also pretty limited in the scope of their uses. You gain strength in a few specific areas at the cost of losing it in many others and considering there is only one of us and 4 y'all combined y'all have wider coverage of strengths and minimal trade offs.

Also, OG Lightborn did used to just make it take longer before a killer got blinded, but in that form the perk just went unused entirely because it didn't actually make it that difficult. Killers went a very long time before having any way at a perk level to counter flashlights. The only other counter was Franklin's and that didn't exist until Bubba did.

I know what WoO does, the point is I dont see how WoO does not equally cause a learning deficit on the same grounds that Lightborn does. Which would be baseless as far as I am concerned.