We don’t like this rework for Sadako…

I compared her to the Freddy change because the power feels more boring (demanifest mindgames discouraged, mindless global Condemn teleports) and inaccurate and different to the movie version (having Cursed Tapes now shields you from teleport condemn while they're the one thing that curses you in the movie, and also now she can condemn people who don't interact with her and her tapes at all)

I never mentioned the scale of the rework for this comparison, just the fun and the accuracy to the source material

I will say that I'm very glad to see that they changed the cooldown on projection (though 10 seconds is still too much) and lowered the cooldowns for TVs (SUPER happy about these durations).

Not really happy about anything else though. 2 stacks per hit with no hook incentive is crazy. I'm just going to slug anyone who has a tape now. Would have much preferred that they listen to the feedback we gave on the PTB instead of incentivizing slugging even more when most of the feedback indicated that moving away from this sort of thing would have been well-received.

The fact that her chase is absolutely atrocious now doesn't really help her move away from slugging either, since she's now incentivized to really pressure what downs she is able to get. The PTB-version of her makes it so that demanifest mindgames are dead and Reiko's Watch is dead, so she's going to be slug all the way to the Major League.

I don't really see how it encourages slugging considering the Tape gets destroyed on hit. There's not really any advantage to slugging when you down someone with a Tape. The only thing it will really encourage is hit and running healthy Survivors with a Tape.

Wraith has a speedboost after cloak that makes that not a big issue, sadako does not, there is not a reason to not spam good vaults against her, do if she tries to mindgame you as a survivor have the upper hand as long as there is a window thats not incredibly unsafe.

And what stealth are you on about she literally has a lullaby that warns you she is near, better stealth where? I know if she leaves me or keeps chasing me stealthy the visual TR will tell me that info, so that "buff" to stealth id non existant.

I mean the speedboost is generally irrelevant if a Survivor is spamming vaults in your face. Why would you spam vaults from far away?

And yeah the lullaby is still a thing but it's a lot less obvious than "DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN" playing the second she gets within 12m of you.

The Tape immediately gets destroyed on the first hit. They only get 2 stacks.

I'm going to still play her if only not to provide their stat charts with accurate information, but I'm not going to enjoy Sadako as much.

This coming from a chase-heavy Sadako main, no condemned slugging.

My current pre-patch build is Iri Tape+VCR and Deadmans/Jolt/Gearhead with the fourth perk filling whatever niche I felt like (mostly fearmonger and blood echo to counter MFT now) with the idea survivors needed to hold tapes or else risk Deadman's activating if they think I teleported near them after a hook.

I think most can see why that build won't work anymore. That said, I'm still going to find some way to make a fun build but it's going to be extremely difficult to do without running more than one or two meta perks just to keep up in chase now. Weird that Iri Tape is still going to be a go-to just for buying time.

Not downing them, just hitting them.

I'd also like to raise another point: Most killers will soon have a better stealth potential than Sadako when Trail of Torment's buff goes live. I've already cooked up combinations with using blindness perks/addons in the PTB with it and patrolling my effected gen. Anyone without a lullaby will be able to out-stealth Sadako more efficiently with it, which is kinda messed up.

It depends on your perspective of Sadako as a killer.

Sadako cultivated a following of players who enjoyed her for her unusual playstyle of being more about strategy and macro play, since she's so awful in chase. People who viewed condemned kills as her true win condition and what set her apart from other killers, particularly Dredge and Freddy.

This new version makes playing her like that much much harder to do. Condemned has become little more than a weak passive slowdown, something akin to Pig's beartraps. This was likely BHVR's intention for her all along.

The problem is that Sadako is god awful in chase. Like really, really bad. In contention for one of the worst chase killers in the entire game. The rework did nothing to fix that, it just gave her a useless gimmick of being immune to pallet stuns while demanifested, but survivors have no reason to drop pallets while you're demanifested.

Even compared to other M1 killers she's bad. Freddy's snares are legitimately better than anything Sadako can do, and that's just sad. Her condemned slowdown is not good enough to make up for how bad she is at chasing.

She also has a lullaby for some reason. If they removed the lullaby she would actually be a pretty solid hit-and-run ambush killer. However I do think that for the majority of the survivor playerbase, Sadako would be very difficult to deal with if not for the lullaby. She'd be almost like a better version of Wraith, since demanifesting doesn't slow her down at all.

"Survivor who are hit while carrying a tape will now gain 2 stacks of condemn." It is no longer down. it is hit.

it is not that simple. if you don't hook people, then you risk having to down people more times then 3 times because you all-in on condemn killing the survivor. hooking now is more of a safety net. hooking means they will die in 3 hooks. slugging means that you are all-in on condemn killing them and if it fails, then you get no kills.