Team Eternal Got Disqualified From The Community Cup
Posted by KnightLight1337 on Twitter (link: https://twitter.com/KnightLight1337/status/1685279076594880513).
Team Eternal was disqualified from the Community Cup #8.
In a matchup of Team Eternal VS Wraith, Team Eternal managed to get all 4 Survivors to escape with basically no issues whatsoever. After the match, the Wraith reported Team Eternal to an admin of the tournament, and they were disqualified for breaking the rules. What rules did they break?
Tournament Restrictions
- Anytime a new Killer, Survivor, Perk, or Item is added to the game, they are unable to used in the tournament for 2 weeks from the release date of the Community Cup. This rule exists to give people more time to learn new content that is was added.
According to KnightLight, and other screenshots that were provided. A member of Team Eternal was using Nicolas Cage during the tournament. Keep in mind, they were NOT using Nic Cage's perks, only the Survivor itself.
I personally think this dumb.
Obviously playing with newly released perks is an issue, but this is just the Survivor itself, which is basically just cosmetic and nothing more/less. It is not like the Killer has to learn how to play against Nicolas Cage (the Survivor itself) when they fundamentally work the same as an other Survivor you can pick.
This ruling should be reconsidered and should be looked at since I currently think it will only be used by petty players in a malicious way.
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Tournament Restrictions
Anytime a new Killer, Survivor, Perk, or Item is added to the game, they are unable to used in the tournament for 2 weeks from the release date of the Community Cup.
Says right there that it´s forbidden.
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Yeah, that's a dumb rule.
They should change it. Survivors are skins, makes no sense.
Also, the Wraith seems absolutely uber salty, tbh.
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Is it a stupid rule? Yes.
Is it in the rules? Also yes.
They broke a rule.
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Say that to the people who play Ada and ace and they are quieter.
It may be a dumb rule, but the rules are pretty plain. They broke the rule. Sure, change it, but you have to follow the rules that were set when the tournament was played.
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The rule is dumb to begin with. The rules should be looked at and changed so something like this doesnt happen again.
The rule is dumb. I am aware that they broke the rules, but it is still dumb.
All I want is for something to be changed so this does not happen in the future. Im not asking for them to be put back into the tournament, I just want the event organizers to look at this rule and maybe fix it a bit.
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I didn't say that it wasn't a rule, just that it was a stupid one.
Cage isn't exactly quiet lol. That man talks. It's pretty clear that it wasn't for a tactical advantage. Maybe if a Survivor that's quiet comes out, re-implement it, but for now, it's a dumb rule.
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I don't know anything about these competitions but yeah, that seems pretty ridiculous and an overly literal reading of the rule text. If they released a new color bunny feng outfit, would that be viewed as unfair to use? It does nothing but look adorable but maybe that qualifies as an 'item'. It's not like different survivors have different base kit abilities or anything. There could just be 1 survivor and everything be cosmetics for all the gameplay effect it has.
The Wraith is grasping at straws. Team Eternal technically broke the rules but not in any way that could conceivably affect the outcome of the match and it's very likely they didn't even realize they were doing anything outside the rules.
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What kind of dork snitches on something like that?
But I guess rules are rules. BHVR should say "yeah, that was a silly rule and we're not enforcing that one" but ultimately it's their call
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I dont really care about Tournament Play or the Community Cups, but when it comes to Survivors (not their Perks), this rule does not really make sense. They are Skins, after all.
However, what really makes the whole thing laughable is that the Killer of the opposing team only reported them after they lost. Which means they dont really care about the rules but about their own benefit.
IMO it would have been fairer to DQ Eternal, but still give them the Win.
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I mean, they probably had an observer in it to overlook the whole thing, so why not just tell them about this specific rule before the match starts? Instead of just letting them run into the knife with such a rule that makes no sense, despite I have no clue how long the rule set is and if this part is easily to overlook, especially because it has no reason exist in the first place.
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Probably would have been the most fair outcome and best suggestion Ive seen.
Again, I do think this rule should be looked at and changed to prevent future stuff like this happening, but otherwise, very solid idea.
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Yeah, it would still follow the rule (even if it is just stupid in this regard), but would prevent the opposing team from gaining an advantage because they are salty about losing. (Would be a different matter if they reported it from the start, reporting it after they lost to gain an advantage is simply unsportsmanlike)
The rule itself should be changed. It makes 100% sense for Perks and Killers, but not really for Survivors.
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that rule is as funny as "comp dbd" itself. the weird and cheap thing here is the team reported the rule "violation" after they lost, badly. if they won they would just take the w.
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The rule in most games makes sense but in DBD in particular this is incredibly dumb.
Like suggesting someone playing Nicholas Cage has any effect on the game whatsoever is goofy af, that being said I'm surprised Eternal got into this situation in the first place they're experienced enough to know better.
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It seems like a dumb rule al though it makes sense
There have been several bugs through out the years that have only affected one Survivor in particular. Most recent one being Leon and aiming a FL being lower than normal.
Other notable examples being Ace being almost completely silent upon release (yes even quieter than he is now) and also several cosmetic glitches affecting only some Survivors. (Nea having a tail no matter what shirt you were wearing is one that comes to mind)
Bugs like these are more than likely going to happen on new Survivors for obvious reasons, and its better safe than sorry
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Rules are rules, fair enough;
Not enough thought was put into this one, tho.
Sounds like the Wraith got bested by this Survivor team and very pettily found a cheap way to live to kill in another match, or quite possibly get ousted again… this time w/o a loophole.
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From terrible matchmaking to questionable tournament rules, DBD has it all!
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This !
This rule is important in case of major bugs being abused and unknown to the majority of players.
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While I won't contest that rules are rules, it certainly does feel ridiculous that survivors are ground for disqualification. A skin got them disqualified. Combine that with the report only occurring after a loss, making it come across as the desperate actions of a salty player and the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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I hope the wraith is embarrassed, that’s mad salty.
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This is the stuff I live for!
Arbitrary rules and the ways they can break a system!
It's pretty dumb for Survivor models to be included in a ban rule.
It's even dumber they got past the lobby while have Nic Cage picked in the first place.
The most dumb thing is that Eternal knows the rules and one of them still tried to fly close to the sun!
At the of the day you can't even be mad at the Wraith player cause regardless of their inner intent, they upheld the integrity of the ruleset! Did they probably call them out due to taking an L? Very likely so. Did they keep the honor of Community Cup intact? Definitely by letter of the law. XDD
They really should sort out their ruleset and Judges/TOs should definitely be more observant so things don't get this far to begin.
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It was against the rules. But they need to give the rules another look over as that particular one makes zero sense. Survivors are just skins. Playing as Cage gives zero advantage.
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I keep saying Wraith players are toxic. I continue to be correct lmao
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I’m wondering why the overseer or whatever didn’t say anything before the match? They saw Nic Cage in the lobby. They could have pointed out it was an infraction. It’s weird no one said anything & let them play through.
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Why didn't anyone say anything about it before the match started though? Surely someone saw someone picked Cage, from other posts in this thread there might even have been some sorta "impartial" observer involved as well. Seems like a very easy little mistake to fix with a very simple 5-second sentence.
Not really an uncommon kinda rule, new stuff is often restricted until players know if something is straight up broken or exploitable (in the actual game exploit way, not the "using that perk is """"abuse""""!!!" way). Think it's silly for survivors in particular anyway, but it's pretty common in ranked game modes to restrict the newest batch of stuff for a while.
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The main problem is that the format is a Best of ONE. Eternal getting a penalty for breaking rules is fair. In a normal tournament, the admin would have given 1 point to the other team as a penalty but the match would continue and this wouldn't cost Eternal the match. But here's there's only one round so the admin has no choice but to give the win to the opponents.
Huge fuckup by the admin team. While rules are rules, this ridicules the tournament. This also illustrates why you don't do Single-Elimination. It is even more ridiculous that Eternal won basically 4-0.
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this is clearly the exact scenario this rule was made to deal with. god forbid a supposed "top" team try to cheat an advantage by abusing hidden tech available only to one specific survivor skin 🙄🙄🙄
hope [the team that reported them] think that becoming probably the most scorned team in the scene was a worthy price to pay for a third place finish
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Are they not allowed to wear legendary cosmetics that come out within 2 weeks of the tournament? Because that's basically the same thing.
Wraith is a sore loser to complain about that.
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Is it a dumb rule? Clear.
But if it is a rule, we must follow it or face punishment.
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I agree that the rule for a survivor skin isa a little dumb, but what is dumber is reading the rules (thereby reading you cannot use a new survivor) and deciding to run it anyway.
Eternal would have been far better to have proposed changes for future tournaments, rather than running a survivor that is clearly prohibited. Also, there is the issue pf the psychological advantage: a killer will see Cage and be made to assume they might also be running the perks too. From that perspective, the rule is less dumb than previously thought.
So the only truely dumb thing was the decision to run the survivor, even though the rules were clear.
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rules are meant to be broken. the first part with new killer or new perks makes sense. the survivor part makes little sense. the survivors are just skins...
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It could be argued that a new model and survivor sound could effect the Wraiths play even if at an insignificant level, but its in the rules and while many of us who don't actively watch or engage in Comp DBD think its dumb, the ones who do engage in Comp should know. Everyone calling Wraith a sore loser is correct but that doesn't mean a rule wasn't broken.
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There's over 30 survivors to chose from. Yes it's a dumb rule but it was easily avoidable.
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To be fair, if someone is playing the new survivor you might go into thinking they are running one of his perks are try to play around that. For example he may have tried to play around Dramaturgy and not thought that maybe Cage had Dead Hard because of it.
Also there might be a bug that affects the new survivor that hasn’t been fixed yet and could be abused, so I don’t think it’s that unreasonable to ask someone not to play them.
It is a silly rule, but it’s clearly stated in the rules they can’t play a new survivor yet so I don’t really feel bad for Eternal in this scenario.
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I’ve had some matches that tested my patience but that wraith sounds like they were really embarrassed by their own play and couldn’t handle the embarrassment
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It's a dumb rule, but it's on them for not reading the rules properly / thinking they could get away with breaking a rule. I truly cannot comprehend how anyone thinks Eternal are the victims here when all they had to do was not use Nic Cage, it really was that simple. The only thing I can agree with is it should've been a warning/penalty, not a full disqualification, but alas, it's not in my control and I don't care about comp dbd so whatever.
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I suppose the reasoning behind not allowing new Survivors is the potential for bugs like cosmetic glitches, audio issues, etc, etc.
Like if a skin bugged out and made the torso invisible or something, that'd be a problem. I guess the 2 weeks is there to be reasonably confident any issues would be known.
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Comp dbd never beating the unable to read allegations I fear
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And some people wonder why I refuse to take the idea of Comp DBD seriously when rules like this are in place
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The community cups are a bit of a meme in the comp scene for a reason. At worst, that should have been -2 points and a restart, not a full on DQ.
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I'm not surprised to see how many pedantic boot lickers are in this thread. There's the old phrase that the "spirit of the law" comes before "the letter of the law" and that kind of philosophy should be promptly applied here. If they had any sense the rule should be immediately revised, team eternals disqualification reversed, and that killer should be banned for being such a weak and petty #########. No one should have time or patience for these games. This is DBD, not jurispudence. The organizers should use their discretion and not let this guy make a clear mockery out of their tournament.
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It’s on Eternal for breaking the rule and there should’ve been a penalty.
That said, the penalty for that being a DQ is ridiculous.
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The reason they would ban a survivor could very much be for hidden bug lookouts.
Even if each survivor is a reskin of the same rig. You never know what can slip through testing or making the survivor.
While it can be dumb, it is reasonable. Because imagine if a game breaking bug came out with Nicolas Cage. Like if a certain rare voice line plays, then the game crashes.
There is a reason behind the madness
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Normally, I'm a bit more amenable to spirit of the rule arguments, but did it escape you that the rules explicitly forbid the use of new survivors as well? I don't think it's possible that the rules couldn't mean that.
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Yeah. This should be a giant red flag that we shouldn't take comp DBD seriously. Competitive Wraith just sounds like a bad idea, and the amount of arbitrary rules that would be needed to make it feel balanced, would be comically astronomical.
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Survs are not "just skins" because of the grunts of pain and appearance of the models. Not all models look and sound the same. Visual and sound cues can be considered "advantage" to those kind of people I guess.
I personally don't see it as too much of an issue but I am just a filthy casual pub player.
And yeah that wraith was definitely salty.
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The intent behind the rule is to make sure people have enough time to learn how to play against new content, i.e spirit of the law. While it says "survivor" I think that's clearly a case of redundant verbiage. If I say "No running, sprinting, or jogging!" through the hallway and you take a bicycle, you've misunderstood the obvious message which was "don't go fast" The obvious message here was "don't play with an unfair advantage"
You can make the argument from potential bugs but I think that's seriously reaching and not what they had in mind. It's just redundant wording that wasn't analysed too closely, a salty player is abusing it to reverse a completely legitimate victory, and getting away with it.
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At the risk of getting pretty far out into the weeds, it's not always that cut and dry. Teams like Eternal are usually playing in more than one tournament on any given day.
One of the hardest things about comp is simply parsing whatever tome of rules the organizers have put together for their tournament. Every one can be slightly different. It's why organizers are typically more lenient and just do point deductions instead of outright disqualifications on a first infraction.
Additionally, comp has a fairly standardized ruleset at this point. EXCEPT, of course, the community cups. They've insisted on having a bizarre non-standard ruleset and *also* having stupidly harsh penalties. The running joke in the community is that you have a harder time not being dq'd than you have beating the opponent. There's a reason participation in the community cups dropped so sharply.
It's what always kills me about new big tournament organizers. The first thing they always do is go out of their way to ignore standards and precedents that have been set and then wonder why everyone is unhappy with it.
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Yeh, tbf though I don't think they even knew they were breaking it and it sucks cuz it was for no advantage either since it is just a skin.
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Here's the thing the rule makes sense
if nick cage was as quite as ace that's an immediate advantage
We know he's not quiet but the rule makes sense
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