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Auto-kill last survivor on Hook even if 1st hook - stop. Just stop.
I don't know what genius thought up the idea of auto-killing the last survivor on hook, but it was a really bad idea. Actually, I think it was before BT was basekit. The camper would facecamp and auto-down a Kobe'ing survivor. Welllll... Guess what? You base-kit'd BT.. This is no longer viable. Even before BT being base-kit, this change is not wise. There is still game to be played. "Will I kobe or not?" Thats still a game mechanic to try... no reason to just take that away from the survivor, even if the killer face-camps.
Please remove the auto-kill on the last hooked survivor on 1st hook. There is still game to be played. The survivor could Kobe off of hook, or deliverance. There is no reason now to have this in place. Please remove. it is ending matches pre-mature.
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I'm sure getting chased for ten seconds before getting downed again and dragged back to hook may qualify as a game still to be played to you, but it's really not. The game's over. You lost. Let the killer move on to the next game instead of pointlessly wasting time.
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Not only that, but it'd be a lot worse for killers, where its straight up possible you getting that kobe just gave you a free win via hatch, completely invalidating everything they did to catch you.
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Yes it would... Its called playing the game. Its the survivors first hook... Therefore, the Killer doesn't deserve the kill yet. They didn't earn the kill on that particular survivor. Kobe'ing in this situation still has the killer getting the survivor down 90% of the time. The odds are still with the killer.
But, thinking about it, at this time, there is NO reason for the auto-kill to happen. They literally stopped it before because the killer would just camp and auto smack the survivor down... But now, the survivor has BT, so the killer can't auto-down the survivor... Therefore, there is still game to play...
For killers worried about hatch.. maybe you guys stop face-camping and go find the hatch and close it? Which is also... something the killer is supposed to be doing. Game isn't over yet for the Killer either. So, Killer can wait for Kobe, accepting last chase of the match, or go find the hatch and close it.
I understand why Killers don't want this... the Auto-kill feature was a freebie to them.. But it no longer makes sense.
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With that attitude, I guess the survivors should just line up in the beginning of the match and allow the killer to kill them all. I mean, their chase is only going to last 10 seconds.. No reason to play the game.
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Take the L.
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How bad are you that you lose normal chases during the match in ten seconds? That's very different from when the killer has nothing else to do other than to sit in front of the hook because everybody else is dead.
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The scenarios in which you're 0/3 hooks when your teammates are all dead indicate you were a bad teammate.
Any survivor playing the actual game will be hooked at some point, in order to reach 0/3 hooks when everyone is dead it indicates you ATLEAST threw your last teammate under the bus to grab the consolation prize escape via hatch.
Theres no valid reason to give the last remaining survivor 2 extra chances at the consolation prize when they were some of the worst survivor teammates you could ever have.
With 3 dead, the game is over, if you get found accept the L and go next, and most importantly, stop trying to waste the killers time because you got upset. Break the toxicity cycle.
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Not necessarily. I've had plenty of matches where I've stayed hidden from the Killer, but I've still worked on gens and did hook saves when the Killer left the hook. The other three teammates would run around getting chased and bodyblocking for each other while I was the gen jockey. Once they all died, I either got hatch, or I got hooked and died as well. Half the time they'd say I was a bad teammate (never mind the gens and hook saves I did), but I counter that running the Killer all day long doesn't mean a thing if no one's doing gens.
That said, I also wish I could still have a chance of unhooking myself if everyone else is already dead. Even if I do get caught again, I'd rather have the 4% fighting chance than a 0%.
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Because you were infact a bad teammate....
If you're on 0 hooks, why would you let your 2 hook teammate go for the save?
Being a dedicated gen slammer when your team is all on death hook is not a good play.
Bottom line is, you dont deserve a second chance at a consolation prize ,and neither are you entitled to wasting a killers time.
If you got found and hooked last, it is what it is, just accept the L and move on.
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I can't control what my teammates do. If they decide to go for the save, that's their choice. Who am I to stop them? Am I supposed to bodyblock them if they try to go for save? That would make me a bad teammate.
This is why I run Kindred. If I see teammates go for the save, I know I don't need to. If I see them getting chased, I sneak in for the save.
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Agreed. My "luck" in the match to not be hooked does NOT indicate I am a bad teammate. There are many scenarios in which this could play out. For example... What if I got into various chases with the Killer, but they were unable to down me? However, they were able to down my teammates.
I also just experienced another scenario to prove why this auto-kill needs to go (besides the fact that it was set in place for a mechanic that no longer exists)....
I just had a match where the gate was opened.. 4 teammates alive. I got the unhook and got hit by the camping killer. on the way to the gate, I was downed, but the other 3 teammates escaped. Yes, you guessed it... This was my FIRST hook. The gate was about 20 feet from the hook. If I KOBE, I am guaranteed to escape. However, due to the unneeded auto-kill mechanic, I was swiftly killed instead of being given my 3 chances to Kobe. The game was not over, but yet an outdated mechanic killed me.
I know you killer mains enjoy the easiness of getting auto-kills, but literally, the game is not over and it shouldn't exist. It was put in place for a problem that no longer exists. This mechanic is therefore, factually, outdated.
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Of all the scenarios where this plays out, most of them are just you being a bad teammate. However, it's completely irrelevant to the point of last-hook-kills, so it doesn't matter to me if you're the best player in the universe. You bang on about Killers wanting easy kills, yet you're arguing for a guaranteed escape because a random number generator decided in your favour. How is that anything other than wanting something for free? The Killer earned that kill more than you earned an escape because you pressed a button and rolled a dice.
You call death on the final hook of the match outdated, but you've done nothing but make a very good argument as to why self-unhooking is the outdated mechanic. In a game that is moving closer and closer to balanced, a game that is moving closer and closer to consistently rewarding skill expression, a random chance to win has no place to exist any more.
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what if the killer has STBFL and has intentionally avoided me, the obsession, all game? what if i've sucessfully evaded the killer for most of the game but got downed once as the killer's 10th hook? what if the killer's face camped every single survivor they caught and my teammates foolishly refused to do gens while the face camp was happening?
there's no need to blanket assume someone being the last survivor alive automatically means they're a bad teammate, there are just some of the many conceivable circumstances off the top of my head where that's obviously not the case
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STBFL - You can notice the killer has it when he avoids M1ing you, but not every one else, at this point its on you (the obsession) to try to bodyblock and force stack loss , even then you dont deserve 2 shots at the consolation prize just because you RNG'd as the obsession
Theres no scenario at which you're 0 hooks at 10 hooks unless you intentionally avoided saves, you dont deserve 2 chances at the consolation prize
if your whole team isnt doing gens you still dont deserve 2 shots at the consolation prize just because you happen to luck out as the last person to be hooked
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yeah i'm gonna be honest bud, all of this reads as "it is your responsibility as a good teammate to your fellow survivors to give me, an exclusive killer player, free kills, and anything that gets in the way of me getting as many sacrifices as possible is bad game design and bad gameplay"
killer brings a perk? you better be a god at bodyblocking and intentionally let yourself get downed while also mind controlling your teammate to make the optimal play and not vault into the killer. killer just decides not to chase you for whatever reason? well obviously its beause you didn't help your team, because there's no way the killer wouldn't be camping/immediately return to hook/drop chase with you. you did all the work for your team? don't care, i want my sacrifice so you're wrong. i want my sacrifices, and i can't possibly be wrong, so anyone who disagrees with me must be doing something bad so they deserve to lose
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Do you say that about yourself as well? If you're the last Survivor alive, does that make you a bad teammate as well?
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You still make no valid argument as to why you, rng'd as the obsession deserves a second shot at hatch when the game is clearly over.
I'll always point out that for you to reach 0 hooks to endgame, you atleast threw your last teammate under the bus to reach that state, theres no reason as to why you wouldn't go for the rescue yourself if your team is all death hook.
The match is over, theres no legitimate reason as to why you should be allowed to waste the killers time just so you get a second chance at the consolation prize.
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The Killer doesn't deserve the free kill at the end either. You might as well say that Survivors should automatically escape when all gens are powered and not waste the Killer's time trying to catch them all last minute.
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The Killer chased someone, downed them, and hooked them. Then at some point, they chased three people out of the exit gate while preventing a save in order to secure that kill. It's not pretty, it's not efficient, but it was earned. If this community was more willing to accept that, you know what, sometimes people that aren't you can deserve something, there'd be less salt and entitlement flying around.
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Game is not over until the doors are opened, EVEN THEN in what planet does a killer finding, double hitting, and hooking a survivor means he "doesn't deserve" the kill. this is some peak survivor main mental gymnastics.
The only circumstance that the killers time is wasted is when survivors wait at the gate to t-bag and whatnot , this is a whole other can worms that needs to be adressed.
This is peak false equivalancy because theres no game for the last survivor, only a consolation prize trough hatch , on the other hand once the gates are powered theres still game for killer since the gates need to be opened and you can defend those.
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Because you can try to self unhook in all other contexts. It doesn't make sense IMO to have this be an exception
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Only thing this change does is increase the time it takes for you to be killed for no legitimate reason.
The game is over, you're not going to do however many gens you have left when you unhook straight into the killer.
All this boils down to is "I want a chance to waste the killers time a bit more even though i clearly lost the game"
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Because we need survivors to be able to waste 2 minutes on time being spiteful on hook.
The mechanic exists as to not waste time. The last survivor is unlikely to escape at that point and there's no reason to drag the game out any longer. Just accept you lost and move on.
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But its over anyway, who cares?
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Chases are fun (self unhook would allow one more of them) and the hatch mechanic exists
While playing killer, if the last survivor manages to kobe I would want to give them hatch out of respect for the luck.
While playing survivor, I don't want to make a smart play and go down midmap with Deli while my teammates are working an exit gate, only to have my Deli cucked by teammates leaving before the prompt shows up
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