How you can buff m1 killers without buffing m2 killers?

Yet people complain that MFT adding 3% to survivors only while theyre injured is too much...?

A bit of Coupe de Grace or lets say 5-10% Basekit Superior Anatomy. M2-Killers like Blight, Demo, Nemesis, Nurse, Billy, Bubba (only for Bamboozle), Xenomorph etc. usually dont vault.

Improve their powers, not baseline actions.

By making use of the myriad perks or effects that only work on Basic attacks.

Buffing those perks and adding new ones, meta ones at that.

Introducing survivors perks that proc when hit by Special attacks.

Any of the above that influence movement speed will have a good effect. For example if the new Rapid Brutality perk was made more effective, extending it's duration or removing the bloodlust penalty.

On the extreme end, you could nerf Nurse and Blight a little more by making their power go on cooldown whenever stunned, to give survivors more effective counterplay.

With more good m1 perks.(jolt,sloopy).

Or buffing each m1 killer individually.

Devil's Advocate here: what if killers lower down the tiers are just harder difficulty killers and therefore it's not so much a change to make them more viable, but instead to reward more BP for lower killers?

It's been some time since we have had some kill rates, so the info I'm using is dated. However, according to what BHVR wanted for average and top 5% killers, the kill rates appeared in line with what they wanted (50-60+ kill rate). This would mean buffs would potentially upset that.

Of course, this is old information and especially with some more recent perks there may be a vast swing for all we know. However, if we got kill rates and again they were in line with 50-60% kill rates, it may argue against any buffs. If the information changes to reflect a more survivor-sided escape rate, then changes certainly could be considered.

Ultimately, I'm of the opinion that if the kill rates are in the right place then there is no need to change it. If there is a significant change, then there may be. I'd be far more in favour of more rewards for lower-performing killers than buffs.

If only Nurse wasn't such a bloody pain in the ass when it came to stats then this would be far easier!

It would be neat to see some perks that:

Give you a benefit if hit by M2 attacks, but a deficit if hit by M1 attacks

or

Buff your killer the more you use M1, but have a downside/buff wipe when using M2

Make loops fair. The m2 killers you mentioned don't really care about loops because they just don't loop. Only exception might be pinhead. But at that point individual adjustments could be made. At the highest levels, there are 3 viable killers, nurse, blight, and spirit. And what do they have in common? They don't play the same game as the rest of the killers.

The best thing, is to make every loop fair. The best designed loop in the game? Is the TL wall. After a few seconds, the survivor and killer get a 50/50. If the killer guesses right, they get a hit, if they guess wrong, they waste about 10 seconds of the killer's time, and the killer can try again.

• Why are there so many safe pallets?
• Why do god pallets exist?
• Why are so many loops not mindgameable?
• Why are there so many OP main buildings (garden of joy god window)
• Why are there so many OP single structure loops like cow tree?
• Why does the game allow a jungle gym window to spawn into shack window?

Movement speed increases on survivor are stronger than movement speed increases on killer. Let's look at a hypothetical scenario. where the survivor moves 3% faster than base, and one where the killer moves 3% faster than base, and one at base, and compare them.

Assuming a healthy survivor, a 4.6 killer, running in an infinite straight line, and a chase that starts at 16 meters. For context, load up a game as trapper, lunge 3 times, that is 18.6 meters. So 16 meters is actually a bit less than that. You'll realize just how close 16 meters is. How long will it take for the killer to down this healthy survivor in all 3 scenarios?

Basekit: 20.8 seconds for first hit + 18.2 seconds for second hit = 39 seconds

3% faster survivor: 27.9 seconds for first hit + 24.2 seconds for the second hit = ~52 seconds

3% faster killer: 16.9 seconds for first hit + 14.8 seconds for the second hit = ~32 seconds

So a killer moving 3% faster, will end the chase ~7 seconds sooner than base kit. Whereas the survivor moving faster, will actually make the chase last 13 seconds longer than basekit. This is because the differences in movement speed between survivor and killer are actually more important than the absolute movement speed. Additionally, it has to do with how lunges work. All of this in spite of the fact that the 3% movement speed increase gives more absolute movement speed to the killer, because you are doing 4.6 * 1.03 instead of 4 * 1.03. Meaning the survivor gains 0.12 m/s of speed, whereas the killer is actually gaining 0.138 m/s of speed.

Lastly, this is in an infinite straight line and does not represent reality. In reality, a killer's hitbox is larger, and survivors are typically looping, not running in a straight line. Because of the larger hitbox of a killer, they need to travel a larger distance around a loop than a survivor does.

This image is not to scale, but demonstrates the point:

If the black circle is a rock, and the blue circle is a survivor, and the red is the killer. You'll see the difference there. The survivor's hitbox being smaller means they have to travel less distance around the rock in order to make a full loop around it than the killer does. So increasing the survivors movement speed actually compounds this difference even more.

Again, not to scale, but lets say that the circumference of the rock is 10 meters. The survivor can loop around it as close as 12 meters. But the killer has to do it at 14 meters. This means that it'll take the survivor 2.5 seconds to do a full loop, but it takes the killer, moving .6 meters FASTER than the survivor, 3 seconds to do the loop. Now if you make the survivor move 3% faster, they can suddenly do that loop in 2.4 seconds. Not much of a difference at this small scale, but you just increased the differences in their time by a full 20% from just increasing the movement speed by 3%.

This is a really complicated thing and the proposed answers are usually grossly oversimplified.

The relative difference in strength between an M1 killer and higher tier killers doesn't really come into play until survivors actually understand pathing, spacing, and efficiency. This takes a long time to develop. Hundreds of hours. It does not matter what killer you play for the first 500-1000 hours of Dead by Daylight. You aren't going to use any power effectively and the survivors aren't going to run any tile effectively. Everyone's mechanics suck on both sides.

That's the majority of MMR. They have shown us kill rates over the years that have M1 killers towards the top of the kill rate leaderboards across all MMRs. Being on an M1 doesn't matter when everyone is bad.

It can make a huge difference when players are more optimal in their pathing and efficient on generators. Killers with fewer chase tools and less mobility are going to struggle to down players with thousands of hours on many maps. But buffing those killers to contend at higher skill brackets also buffs them in lower skill brackets. Players who make zero distance against 115 killers in that 100 hour range now have an even worse massacre on their hands.

You'd be tempted to say maps, but nerfing maps to accommodate M1 killers means less safety against M2 killers who aren't struggling to begin with.

Which all begs the question: are M1 killers really having a hard enough time across the board to necessitate sweeping changes? I'm not saying there isn't a strength difference. But it's not the difference between a 4k and 0k if someone is playing well. Is the difference of a single kill at certain MMR brackets enough to warrant changes?

I think they should have those event powers we had recently. Remember the power where you could break pallets instantly but it had like some kind of cool down? I really enjoyed that event

The plan shouldn't be a bandaid across the board buff.

M1 killers are generally weaker, but the reasons why each one is weak vary greatly. The solution is to strengthen the killers that need it in ways that make sense for that killer specifically. Actually addressing the specific problem areas of weak killers makes more sense and doesn't produce a need to worry about whether m2 killers get stronger.