I still haven't heard a good argument against basekit Kindred

Maybe before, but since they added the Icons, now it would just be overdone.

Nobody’s pretending there is a good argument against it, and if they are they are either trolling, or one of the people who thought insta blinds, insta heals, pallet vacuums, unhookable survivors, traps under hooks, etc were “balanced”

I'm all for it. Decent sws have kindred via comms. And stupud unhooking where multiple survs are hangong around hook are one of the main reasons solo q games can go down the toilet so quickly.

"it still worked out" yeah because people were absolute trash at the game back then, the game had literal infinites, fast vaults out of 0 momentum and many more different dumb things, if any semi decent player of today played on the old version of the game no killer besides Nurse would ever win a game, the game changed, people got better at it and balancing has to also change according to this.

This won't fix the gap because the greatest advantage of swf has always been avoiding the terrible matchmaking system by ensuring you have 3 good players on your team.

I thought you meant far back when there were barely any usefull perks so everyone ran BT like reeeeeally far back in the beginning of the game 5-6 years ago and so on?

Everything is a give and take in this game. Players need to learn that and accept that when it comes to asking for base kit variants of perks. Base kit kindred isn't a QoL change in the truest sense as it doesn't address an issue, but rather just absolves players from making decisions. As someone who plays solo survivor exclusively when not playing killer because none of my friends want to play this game anymore, kindred isn't required at all. Having it base kit isn't going make teammates play any better than if you just ran the perk, but you don't need to run perk either just run whatever build you want.

I've said before in other threads, but no amount of feature creep will bring the solo survivor experience up to the same level as SWF experience. They would need to actual in game voice comms and even then in solo play you're most likely still going to be disregarded by chaotic teammates doing their own thing. At some point you just have to play the game and just do what you want as best you can. Experiment with builds and just toss the notion that you NEED kindred out the window because clearly it's holding you back from enjoying the game. I could understand if Kindred provided a feature that relates to accessibility in some way like the way people used spine chill, lightborn, or shadowborn. Just having extra info to have it under the notion that it somehow gives you any equal footing with a group of players who as a survivor you don't have to play against just doesn't seem right.

That's not even taking into account the minor balance issues that do exist if kindred was made base kit. Not every killer can opt out of it nor should they inversely be forced to makes around trying to opt out of it due to it being made a default feature. Is it gamebreaking? No. Yet, isn't exactly fair to alter that particular game dynamic when the outcome is that the actually oppositional side of the player base has default worse gaming experience. Survivors are not hurting for information, no side is hurting information as matter fact. Also, I've seen people ask for basically every thing as base kit at one time or another. There was a period where some folks wanted base kit ruin, base kit reassurance, base kit unbreakable which they tested and was a mess to say the least. People ask for all kinds of things and sometimes they end coming dangerously close to being implemented.

It could be added but not for “bridging the gap between swf and solo”, that’s a fool’s errand.

Goes to show how much swf destroys in this game.

If we close the gap between swf and soloq completely, this would mean, that the buffs that killers would need are insane. Something like 120% movement speed and 20% pain res on every Gen map wide for every hook. That's how dumb it is to see the killer all the time and spread out on gens.

I dont think the game would recover.

Swf is busted if played right. It literally destroys the balance of the game and can't be destroyed because it helps the game stay alive.

This is the grave bhvr digged back when the created the function to play with your friends.

but the survivors got their audio visual settings

it's not entirely fair to give 1 side features without which many people literally cannot play and at the same time punish people without problems with motion sickness by strengthening survivors

it's more likely that the killers get corrupt and the survivors get kindred

how does corrupt corrupt interfere with the goal? just spend 15 seconds and reach the unclosed generator

and I'm very interested in how Corrupt will allow camping if it turns off after the survivor falls

...No? That isn't how the slippery slope fallacy works at all.

But to tackle that idea, they don't need to, that isn't the point of basekit Kindred. The point is that when someone's hooked, all but the most checked-out of teams can muster up a quick "I'm close, I'll save", which is something that solo queue teams either have to guess about... or run Kindred so they can actually make decisions.

at that point you still do not need to camp.

you still have 4 gens left untouched and can win by defending it well enough.

unless you also consider that camping, which fair enough.

also, in my experience... rarely will people spawn and go do the gen right next to them right away. takes a bit of time for some reason... or people spawn together so they do the 1 gen together.

if people spawned and started working on whatever gen is closer to them. they likely 3 genned themselves. it's just how it usually works out since survivors tend to spawn away from the killer. the 3 gens closer to the killer at spawn are likely untouched.

and I think every killer can defend a 3 gen. some better than others, but certainly doable for all. specially since you got a hooked person, now is the time when survivors start making mistakes.

but if you do get the 90ish sec 3 gen pop. AND they are spread out. in that case, you might need to camp.

or hope the next chases are pretty fast.

I don't know about basekit but would be nice to delete that stupid massive bubble when someone is hooked, I never use kindred because I can't see killer aura for 3-4 seconds with that thing, it was not like that before