Honest question, why do sweat to win?

Playing for “improvement” as Killer is pretty hard to measure apart from hook counting because you are going up against different opponents and sometimes the odds may or may not be stacked against you.

If the endgame summary was able to provide statistics like the average duration of your chase each match, game duration, order of Survivors hooked, successful uses of your power etc, there would be some sense of accomplishment, similar to being able to bench more bit by bit in the gym. Not everyone had the time or capacity to record their games and rewatch them.

Unfortunately the game doesn’t have that, so people use the easiest thing to gauge skill improvement, kills.

People would also get more satisfaction knowing if they went up against a better skilled player and won. However the game no longer has public mmr (Old ranks) so it makes it even harder to gauge any improvement.

Playing chill is to treat DBD as a party game. However not everyone will be playing chill because everyone is bundled into the same lobby

Agree. That's why I normally killers on the weaker end with brown addons and a good but not optimal build.

When I'm having a sweaty period, the goal is training against the most experienced loopers and coordinated teams I can manage to get matched with.

I don't sweat, I haven't in a year and a half. Sweating in this game results in a lack of challenge, even if you go out of your way to play at the most optimal time to get correctly matched opponents like I do.

I could alch ring tunnel someone out with a full meta build every game and win majority of the time even with rust. Hardest I go is alch ring/green speed with only shadowborn these days with no tunneling, even that's rare though. I haven't kicked a gen since February 2022 even.

It could simply be that sweating to you is normal/casual to others. I've been accused of sweating when playing killer far more than once, and it's usually after trials that were fairly laid back for me. The only time I sweat is vs a good SWF or survivors running broken perks (MFT, BU+FtP), as I play mostly M1 killers and you unfortunately have to in situations like that.

How do you not sweat when you main Knight or against jukers when playing as Oni on console lol. Survivors I face pretty much always have an answer to every thing I throw at them, thus I need to try hard to win and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

That because console is at disadvantage compared to pc so you have to try more than they do to win.

That doesn't cause me improve as a player though. All that does is artificially up the difficulty, I'm not competing, I'm just pitying the people put up against me.

This is the crux of why I've kinda retired from DBD. There's very rarely any genuine non-contrived challenge and competition in it for me and that's why I play games.

Right?

If I sit down to play chess with a master and they kick my butt in 4 moves, it's because they knew better than I did from experience, there's no tension involved.

Frankly, I think calling somebody sweaty is the weirdest form of copium. It's beyond me how people will forget what a game is and call each other "sweaty" in a PvP setting as if you're not supposed to try to beat the other side....it literally makes no sense.

I like playing sweaty because it's a game where you play against other people to win. I don't know any of the people I play against and don't have a way of communicating with them in 90% of cases. I don't queue up to "hang out" with them, I queue up because I want to play the game and I expect both sides to actually try their best to win.

Because people very rarely play to lose. Sounds like you were just playing a baby nemisis who got a bit tilted and fell back on the good old facecamp tunnel routine. Like no killer wants to end the game with a 0k. I consider myself a pretty friendly killer, i tend to let at least 1 but more usually 2 survs go.

But it I'm doing badly and looking at a 0k I'd do exactly what this nemesis did. Nothing wrong with trying to win.

Of course you do get some players who simply want to troll by using the most broken combos AND being very toxic. That sucks.

There's a quote attributed to one of the most famous board game designers, Reiner Knizia: "When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."

In other words, the outcome of "winning" isn't everything, but people playing the game (any game) should always be striving to win. Game designers' hope for their creations are always that the "fun" in their games are derived from figuring out how to fulfill the win condition of the game. "What do I need to do to win? What decisions should I make about the choices presented before me by the game so that I am one step closer to winning?"

True, there may be some folks who may only feel joy when they win. But I think most players being accused of "try-harding" are simply just 'trying' to win - which is exactly what they are supposed to do. In fact, if your "fun" doesn't stem from 'trying' to achieve the goal of the game, then that particular game probably isn't for you. If you just enjoy moving chess pieces around the chess board without capturing anything, you aren't really playing chess. If you just enjoy collecting ammos in a shooting game without actually shooting anything, then you aren't really playing a shooting game. If you just enjoy seeing how long you can last without attacking in a fighting game, then you aren't really playing a fighting game. Do you still have the right to play these games in that way? Of course. But they should remember that they are playing against complete strangers who are doing exactly what they are supposed to do, and that they are the ones sabotaging the game, not the "try-hards."

Every killer is sweathy and using everything to his advantage, because otherwise he has no business playing killer unless he likes to watch 4 survivor teabagging at the opened gate every time.

The game turns everything overwhelmingly in favor of survivors, which makes total sense if you think about it, since in every game there are 5 people playing. And for the majority, the game needs to be fun, in order for people to return playing from a dev standpoint, so naturally it's much more sided towards the majority in every game which are survivors, they only throw a bone to the killers if less killers are played and they want to still maintain a good 4/1 ratio for the games to be played.

So If you don't like the super fast game where every single second counts, play survivor. But if you play killer, you are forced into this situation, so it is what it is. If you want a more relaxed game, don't play killer. But if you play killer and still want to win games, you have to put in quite some elbow grease, because 3 gens will pop at your first 2 minute chase otherwise.

"Game went on for awhile due to us trying to prevent that person from being tunneled"

"end game chat was me wondering why they cared so much about the kill"

Lol wut? If you knew it was a new killer why sweat so much? Why did you sweat to win with a 4 man escape? God forbid a new killer tries their hardest to secure a kill

I hear what you're saying and, as if often the case, the idea of looking for the 4k via slugging the penultimate survivor can be quite time-consuming. "Sweating" is fairly subjective anyway, so whilst I can under stand why people consider this tactic sweating, for me it's not because it doesn't come across to me as somebody who is exhausting themself. It's less exhaustive than playing "Where's Wally" at any rate :D. Then again, I don't do this because I'd rather play a new trial than hide n' seek.

You're absolutely right about winning in this game being self-imposed though. The high/medium/low mmr arguments are kinda pointless as the boundries are often vague anyway and a win is defined as whatever you make it. If I can pip or complete a challenge that's a win, regardless of the outcome.

Nobody has fantasies about anything I'm just saying, what is happening. I'm not mad about anyone at all. I'm having great fun with this game no matter which side I play. But yes if I play killer I destroy survivors without any made up rules about the game. I'm Just explaining why that is. I play to win, and that's my fun.

Maybe you are mad about so called "sweaty killers" but there is no such thing. Either you play killer to waste your own time, I don't see the point of doing that, or destroy them all using all your tools at your disposal, without caring about any sort of survivor rulebook for killers. Just like when playing survivor. I'm not interested in any "killer rules" but it's an easier game overall.

So it depends what I wanna do today.

Simple as that I would think. Unless you think it's about who is "mad" about what, and do some personal emotional drama around the habits people have in the game. Chill and play. We simply chat about reasons here and why things generally happen

so try less and if they are good try more and more

That is correct, that's how it is.. But it's all connected, isn't it?

I mean.. I feel like it is and that it does matter even while considering this topic, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered putting it into my response.