Is Save the Best for Last going to be looked at?

i agree it's too strong in camping situations otherwise i don't mind it

but as someone pointed out there's a basekit anti camping feature coming, maybe when it's implemented we won't need to nerf stbfl.

Stbfl is a fine perk that helps out weak killer exponentially more than strong ones. Only exception is the Xenomorph but even on them it is by far not required in any sense.

The other 3 killers that can use the Perk well and save stacks are Demogorgon, Pig and Trapper. 3 Killers that really dont have it good right now.

I understand that the Perk is very strong g as a camping tool, therefore I would make it that, just like with the anti facecamp, when the killer stays around the hook for x amount of time without any survivor in range, every survivor that approaches then for an unhook will automatically count as the obsession, meaning that the killer will lose 2 stacks on hit. This makes exchanges in camping situations way more punishing for the killer.

I find the current stacks to he fair. The killer has to build it up over the match to get value from it. The value is faster chases and no shift w.

StBfL does, on most maps, never prevent the survivor from reaching any tile. It however prevents the survivor from running halfway across the map and chosing a structure of their choice. They have to use the very next structure.

I know this because I dont play Pig without Stbfl.

I sometimes also play her only with Stbfl.

It's one of the best designed perks in dbd with the downside that it can be an effective camping tool. A lot of perks have some kind of downside in this way. Pain resonance for example is still great for camping.

I don't think the perks direct strength in chase should be nerfed in any way only because countering it in soloq is rough, when it's one of the last perks that gives weaker killers a solid chance against good loopers on strong maps.

I guess now that there aren’t any more gen regression perks to nerf, people have started to look at chase perks instead.

Sure hitting the Obsession with M2 could remove 1 stack instead of 0, other than that the perk is fine.

People seem to forget that to get the perk to full strength, a Killer has to hit a non Obsession Survivor 8 times. That means good looping and not giving so much free hits makes this perk weaker.

why? have you ever consider this 1000 iq strategy at hooks.

step 1 - take a hit near a hook.

step 2 - get your teammate to unhook while killer is in hit recovery

step 3 - you successfully unhooked someone. a cookie for you.

-- they used to have a perk in the ptb called background player where when you unhook someone, you break into a sprint for 6 second for 150% m/s but people said it encouraged tunneling. so they removed it. that perk would be good for vs proxy campers.

not if you time hit with unhook. that exactly how you save people from hook when playing end game collapse.

grabs got removed because they entirely prevent 1 person from ever saving the unhook during mid-game. the killer in 1vs1 had zero obligations hit survivor. they could just constantly wait until survivor over-commits to unhooking then grab them and slug them. basically face-camping in a nutshell. you never needed stbfl to camp. with removal of hook grabs, you can brute force hook trade on most regular m1 killers regardless of stbfl stacks.

you can prevent unhooks using instant down killers but after their camping measures come into place. you won't be able stand near hook with instant downs because 16 meter restriction. if you do, the survivor will unhook themselves at 59 seconds of first or 2nd hook stage where they get endurence for 10 seconds and 10% haste for 10 seconds. I mean you can still like proxy camp -> tunnel people off hooks but you won't get any automatic regression type rewards by that method. by standing so far away from hook, the survivor has opportunity to stealth near hook and unhook before you can instant down them. in other words, they mostly get unhook every time.

Sometimes yes, however that’s not always the case. It’s also too oppressive for camping and while I agree with the general consensus that it does help M1 killers quite a bit, it would be better if those killers got actual changes that weren’t perk-reliant and BHVR continues to address bad map design to help them. STBFL’s usage rate isn’t as high as some of the other meta perks because some killers don’t have much use for it. But many still do and that doesn’t make the perk any less overtuned.

Camping isn’t the only thing making STBFL too strong.

Besides, even when the devs eventually add the anti-camp mechanic, it’s unlikely camping can ever be completely fixed or removed entirely unless they implement much more drastic measures to a point where it may not be worth it if it has a ripple effect on other parts of the game (much like their disastrous base UB test did). It doesn’t hurt to help ensure perks don’t make those strategies even more frustrating to face than they already are.

Making it 4% is not going to make it useless, it’ll just push it closer to how it was prior to 6.1.0; it would actually still be faster than the pre-6.1.0 cooldowns all the way up to 7 stacks and only slightly worse at 8.

The most important point i made is, what killers is STBFL actually good on? The ones that need it. The ones that are already struggling. Why do you want to nerf a staple perk for killers who don't need to be nerfed?

Until there's no collision when endurance is active, that's a no-go.

By what you say about able to save more stacks, I can say you can only need to get 3 stacks (2.43) and the cooldown is still better than 4 stack pre 6.1.0 (2.40)

BTW even if killer has 8 stacks you can trade if you are close enough.

But still, get rid of camping and stbfl issue disappears.