Killers are going to slug

Devs seem to be ok with slugging so I see no reason to not do it. If hook becomes a hassle then slugging 2-3 Survivors before hooking makes more sense

Rapid Brutality + STBFL + Infectious Fright/Ultimate Weapon + Knock Out for M1 Killers

There’s anti slug builds for Survivors so the meta can switch to that it the needed arises.

If AHC means antifacecamp feature, then I disagree. I see no reason why hooking should not happen. If survivors swarm the hook, timer is so slow, that it basically does not work. If we are talking about hooking altogether, then this does not change anything at all. If we are talking about facecamper - that's intended mechanics which makes the game much more interactive. If we are talking about proxy campers - this mechanics does exactly nothing. I literally see no problem here.

As for the multiple floors problem - I said so in different post already. Nurse being on the different floor does not mean anything. For other killers it very much depends - say garden of joy camping bottom of stairs (which is super close to top-floor hook) most definitely is camping that is basically comparable to facecamp. Being on a different floor in Midwitch on M1 killer is like being on the other side of map.

But after thinking about it - say trapper has no reason to stay directly above/below hooked survivor for prolonged time if he's not chasing someone - so this shouldn't be any issue. But camping stairs (to basement or on GoJ but even in Thomson house) makes perfect sense for a killer - so given these interactions I would leave multi-level logic the way it is in PTB.

Has nothing to do with anti facecamp tho, it's just knock out vs solo Q... it's not new

guess what will happen if many players start abusing knock out

you are technically next to the hook. the camping system is cumulative system where if you camp near the hook for too long then the survivor get to unhook themselves. that is why is there is no restrictions. as long the bar does not fill from 99->100% then you do not get punished.

i am curious to see killer attempt to slug. judging from anyone who has ever attempt to play twins, it is not that easy to down all 4 players simultaneously when survivor team is competent. the only player that i have ever seen actively try to slug an entire team are alchemist ring blight's that often have crow or iri tag with infectious fright. other than that, I almost never face slugging killers. most of slugging situations are preventable or very easy to gen-rush.

The game said you were (face) camping only when the bar gets full. Not a millisecond before. The meter just represents cumulative time spent next to hook. And even if you leave ASAP, survivor's time on hook is going down regardless. This is the same thing - progress bar has enough distance-seconds to accommodate for all legitimate basic actions you would ever need next to a hook (meaning both kicking gens and leaving the hook right after you hooked someone).

If you think this game need a knock out sluggin meta I don't know what to say, maybe community will finally kill this game for good after all, I see it getting worse and worse despite devs efforts

That will happen. But dont worry, BHVR is trying to maintain a 60% killrate for killers. With this change the killrate will drop down, and than killers will get a generall buff or survivors will be nerfed.

So killer who dont used this technic will benefit from it

Even if I thought that, the meta does not form over random players thinking it should be this way or the other.

It follows changes. Nerf one approach enough and people will try other approaches. It's only natural.

Because it's terrible for the person on hook? They don't get to do anything

And its only a 3 out if it's an experienced SWF, if there's even 1 that is new or unexperienced/throwing then it's gg

TIME TO 4 PACK BOONS AGAIN LETS GOOOOOO!

The problem is that murderers are deprived of the right to choose. The rights that I want to remind you were guaranteed even when the game was created.

I have always followed the precepts of this wise man. After all, how else can I play with the people who send me to the Garden of Joy.

But these are all minor things. The main question is this. Who will we play slug on? We cannot avoid the update, so we must get together and create the most effective slug method. Doctor, Legion, Artist and Plague already at least look promising for the slug. You just need to be a little creative.

Exactly! It's wild that they don't see the seeds they are trying to sow..

Bubba facecamp got nerfed so Bubba pulls out Knock out from his arsenal.

Even in a team with comms, there will be some delay in communicating their downed location unless the team is very familiar with the map or using clock callouts.

I would suppose it just depends on gens left

I wish you all 4 No Mither's all day.

How would be in another part of the building is the same as facecamping?

Some main buildings have exactly 1 entrance to upper floor (that being stairs and killer having hook on upper floor). Any survivor that wants to rescue their fellow teammate literally have to touch killer that decides to camp at the bottom of the stairs.

It means you are technically not face camping if you are staying there instead of staying 1m away from hooked survivor. But what is practical difference between those 2? I literally see none. In both cases you need to let hooked survivor die or go within 1m of killer. Why would you not consider such a thing effectively face camping?