Do Survivors want Killers or Party Clowns?

When I play survivor I want someone who will give fun and challenging chases. Some of my friends agree, others want someone who's going to goof around. Surprising as it may seem, different survivor players have different ideas of what they want in the game; just because people are playing the same overall role does not mean they necessarily share any of the same thoughts

Multiplayer games work best when everyone has agency. They also work best when people interact with the opposite side in versus, or the same side in cooperative (even better if both at the same time). Due to the nature of this game, denying players of agency is required, but shouldn't be done any more than necessary.

When people chase/get chased and have options in chase, they have agency. When the Killer is forced to entity block too strong of a window with 3 vaults, they don't have agency, they have a flowchart. When a Survivor is facecamped and is forced to sit on hook and not end the match early, they don't have agency, they have a flowchart. Mechanics that give agency to agency-less situations should be encouraged and embraced. Mechanics that deny agency should be tooled to give agency.

Since this is a versus game, the skill of both sides comes into play. This also is a game where you can supplement a lack of skill with overpowering tools, like a giga-toolbox or Blight. As such, when each side brings those powerful tools, they are seeking victory at all costs. The other problem, is a player has no control over the caliber of their opposition. The match where I bring meme perks, can be met with a sweaty Nurse. The next match I could bring a giga-toolbox expecting fire to fight fire, but then I run into an add-onless Trapper. People too frequently bring forward stronger tools to counter the sweat they faced last match, and that leads to an arms race essentially. The best way to try to face this is do your best to not engage in the arms race, that's why I call this a party game, to not engage in a sweatlord mindset.

Part of the sweatlord mindset is lobby dodging, which is the current greatest threat to matchmaking. Lobby dodging causes an autofill player from any skill bracket to fill the lobby dodger's space. As such it increases the rate of being forced into outmatched lobbies for one side or the other.

If such a queue were to exist, I think that would make item perks remotely viable, and chests remotely worth wasting your time on them. That I view as a good thing.

It also is a bit strange though, because Killer add-ons can range from as worthless as Pyramid Head's to as overpowered as Blights. Plus many of the standard M1 variety almost 'need' their add-ons to remain remotely competitive. I admit I've crutched on Killer add-ons for near all of my time playing Killer, but it just feels weird not to play without them. Survivor items on the other hand don't feel as integral to the experience, and I often go into Survivor lobbies 'naked' on the item department. So I'm not fully sure about such a queue mostly for standard M1 Killers. Even a limited rarity add-on would seem strange, because some Killers can run Brown and Yellow like Huntress hatchet cooldown, but some other Killers might need Iri and Purple to be in that same league.

The strange thing is I've seen lobby dodges against the least effective things, like keys and flashies, more than a full 4 Toolbox squad.

As a similar yet still separate issue, I think we should have a distinct item model for each different item. We get it for each event item, so before you could bring an event Med-kit or Flashlight and the Killer wouldn't necessarily be scared since it was only a Yellow equivalent. I suppose the Flashlight part is the same, but Med-kit differences have been butchered, so they might as well all mean the same thing now. Assuming they don't go the route of hiding items from the onset like they are testing with Prestiges, I think having a separate model for items would help immensely. At the same time, it may have the same issue as Prestiges, with people dodging if they ever see too high of a number/rarity of item. In general though, I think lower skilled players still within top MMR are the main group that lobby dodge, so they likely see big number and run away. As such, they wouldn't be the ones to dodge a larger toolbox because they don't know enough about the game to actually know it was a better toolbox model.

As far as an escalating DC equivalent lobby dodge penalty, I think it might work at a 15s/30s/1m then jump sharply, but it resets to nothing after an hour from the most recent dodge. I believe the DCs reset daily, so I'm not sure they could re-use the same code for this theoretical lobby dodge ban. I do feel there are times that justify a lobby dodge, like people with a steam profile 8+ timezones apart, or valve bans on record double digit days ago. That's why I think 3 within an hour is enough for low penalties, especially if it resets the hour timer multiple times within a row like every 3rd normal match had a former cheater and you didn't want to risk it. I do think this lobby dodge penalty should be for both sides, but independently in play. That way if you dodge too many times you could still swap to the other role to wait out the timer.

Edit: (I borked the timers in the final paragraph, the mistake was 15s/30[MINUTES]/1m, the correction exists above.)

Complete agree

Pot shots at us for being honest won't help either ~

Regardless we got a genuine question at this point: What do you want for killers and how would you go about it? In depth if you can.

Imagine having no interest in football but playing FIFA. Listen I don't get it, I only play what I'm interested in. Obviously I don't speak for everyone else, each to there own. But I don't think the community would be this bad if people knew what the word killer means

That's fair. We want a fair and interesting challenge as survivor. We don't want clowns, but we don't want sweatlords either. We don't want to see the same thing time after time, nor do we want a lack of interaction such as camping. We want Abit of everything the game offers like the greedy birds we are.

Not pulled from thin air. I’m familiar with OP and the assertion I made tends to undercurrent everything he posts. He isn’t shouting into the void, he’s saying the same stuff he always says. Lol

Sorry I'm ending this conversation. Don't take it personally.

Fair enough

Only thing we can tare is the fact you skipped the second part of the question. We can't tell you what you want after all.

Though we would like to say that players have to work to be intimidating (whether or not killers should be by default is a matter of opinions) as both sides are "fighting" for dominance. Most times when survivors try facing off they end dead quickly with just about anyone because we put in the effort to out play them (or out smart in alot of cases). When we fail it's because they usually out play us (we're going to politely ignore the maps messing with us).