DREDGE UNFAIR If you have eyesight problems
this killer is bull and discriminatory I have eyesight problems can play the game perfectly despite being colourblind and wear glasses but only with this killer I can’t see nothing and really hinders gameplay I feel bad for any gamers with worse eyesight than me playing against this killer dumb design and yeah I have the heat best setting on dosnt mean nothing if I can’t see where I’m going just reduce the darkness of night fall or ADD A BRIGHTNESS SETTING
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I cant see how being colorblind affects you more than normally as one of the main strengths of Nightfall is Survivors have reduced vision.
Only thing I can really recommend is try using filters
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Dredge being an accessibility nightmare? Say it ain't so!
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His nightfall is just created so that you don't know where to go. Just accept it.
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R u serious just accept “killers” no mate it’s broken and I unfair I can’t see what I’m doing that’s broken but we are supposed to just accept it nah
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Tried that does nothing colour blindness aside with bad eyesight I still can’t see what I’m doing if u litterally can’t see objects walls and fens how the hell r u supposed to play just wait it out when I’m this game time is everything nah mate
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Too much of an eyestrain for long periods. Especially when characters and the HUD are bright against darkness. I don't even bother on some maps. Not worth the strain.
It's funny how once upon a time old blind screens were white screens but now we have the opposite of that.
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YES. Why should a killer ability that is designed to interfere with you not interfere with you?No one sees anything in it, and that's how it should be. The night is designed to be bothered by the darkness, so that you don't see anything in it, and it works exactly as it should. I am against it being ners
And so yes, maybe they should still add brightness settings to the game. For example, some brightness settings, but not too tight, so that the night acts on all + - equally, but does not make it too bright, because this is nonsense.
just fix the problem, but without weakening the killer, who does not need to be weakened
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Dude all of this aside objectively looking at this killer he has one to many powers anyway not to mention i have been going against nothing but dredges this entire week he is very meta rn he is too strong needs adjustment and the nightfall needs to be looked at at the very least marginalising a portion of ur player base i litterally can’t play the game right now because all I’m going against is dredges and it’s not fair and waiting out the darkness is just dangerous since behaviour has needed things survivor gen healing speed ect
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your not suppose to seeing anything. your suppose memorize the maps and layout while navigating through nightfall. that is entire point of the killer. in very close proximity, you can still see where you are to some degree but nothing more than that.
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I'm told I have 20/20 vision by most people I'm friends with and I nearly always have a hard time navigating the map while Nightfall is active, but that's Dredge's whole gimmick my friend.
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And the archive is certainly not to blame for the increase in the number of this killer in matches. You know, you're talking some kind of nonsense too.
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Completely disagree and if that’s the design philosophy then it’s completely fundamentally flawed and really dumb I’m not a fan of killers that use no skill passives to close the gap there’s no counter play if he catches u during nightfall uR done and very little I can do personally as I CANT SEE and memeorising all the loops maps most of the time is not possible like come on
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Dude a killer that can do this and teleport like is broken hands down ur not gunna change my mind like it’s so oppressive
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All the people saying that’s just the dredges is just his thing deal with it that dosnt make it not broken keep it constructive give suggestions and reasons not it’s just the way it is well it’s just op broken and oppressive
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just under 1000 love how it’s all the killers to chime in
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I'm colorblind and I... don't have a problem. Heck, my colorblindness even causes issues with dark colors which should make Dredge a nightmare for me.
Not trying to say you're wrong in that you can't see but I fail to understand what colorblindness has to do with it.
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hard disagree. when i see there's a dredge i take a little extra time peeking at the loops near my gen and that's usually enough to keep the killer occupied for at least a majority of nightfall if I happen to be the person they. it's a challenge but it's manageable if you know what the basic tiles look like, what kind of fillers there are, etc.
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You also don't have constructive criticism, my friend, you just wrote an angry discussion about what annoys you.
This is a problem that does not necessarily have to be solved with the help of a killer nerf. Again, you can just add brightness settings to the game, which will solve more problems, including this one, making the night more comfortable, but again not too much. This should interfere with the survivors.
No matter how annoying it is, NIGHTFALL DO THEIR JOB and they have to do it. I want you to understand that. And, in my opinion, this does not create too many problems for most players.
Fix the problem with the game settings, not the killer nerf, that's what I'm talking about.
At the moment, the dredge itself is working normally in most cases, with the possible exception of this particular moment. And it does not need serious weakening
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That's kind of the point. You are supposed to have trouble seeing anything further than X metres away (can't remember the exact number). However, from close up you should be able to see what is around you.
If that is not the case, then that really is a problem and I agree with @Shroompy that the color blindness settings should (hopefully) help you. If not I suggest you make a post in Feedback and Suggestions and explain exactly what kind of color blindness you have, how it impacts you and how much (if at all) the current blindness settings help. The more the devs know, the more they can do.
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Aint no way my man just called a glorified m1 killer OP, nightfall is probably the only moment in the match dredge can be considered an A tier killer, his whole theme is hr is kinda bad but when you get nightfall hr turn into a nightmare.
Also nightfall is made to be hard to see when it arrives, if it were easy to see in it then we would have PTB nightfall which was basically useless.
Edit: on top of all this dredge is one of the noisiest killers in the game so even if you can see him you can hear him miles away, you can even hear him through walls and avoid being mindgamed. Not to mention locking lockers wastes tons of time and gives you a very usefull heads up in chase against him.
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Completely disagree and how isn’t that constructive I said add a brightness setting or adjust the killer operative word being OR killers coming to white night an ability, killers are so strong rn again maybe it’s not so much my colour blindness (tried the filters didn’t do nothing and the heart beat setting I have on) and more my eyesight but I just don’t think it’s fair to play against and it’s all the time everyone is playing him the game isn’t fun against him and I’m just supposed to put up with it no it’s not fair and again need to be looked at why I put this in GENERAL
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Also I feel like there should be counter play a way to stop or prevent this.
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Well, I suppose it's pointless to continue the discussion. Everyone will have their own opinion. In addition, it is also useless because it is unlikely to change anything.
Have a nice day :3
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There are a slew of accessibility issues on killer side as well, even chase music is designed to make it harder to hear survivors mid chase, scratch marks being nearly invisible on borgo, the blinding effect still being too bright for some people (thankfully its better than it used to be,) low FoV causing motion sickness, and so on.
Both sides have accessibility issues as intentional mechanics. Sucks, but there are a lot of things that affect a lot of people regardless of which role. Thankfully some of these have been addressed in ways that minimize their impact, and the devs do care about these types of issues even if it takes them a while to get a fix.
All that said, like others have mentioned, dredge nightfall making everything completely dark is intentional design, I suggest running aura perks to help with navigation if you are unable to recognize/memorize structures/loops vs him.
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Then, I'm sorry to say that you are objectively wrong. Dredge's power is supposed to make it troublesome for you to see. There is no room for disagreement on that point. That is what BHVR wanted to achieve and that is what they did achieve.
Now, whether or not it's perfect is a different story. I personally am mostly fine with it, although I sometimes find myself in a situation similar to Freddy's Dreamworld where it gets so dark that it becomes an eye strain but I find it helps to focus on my survivor and the things I do see rather than the things I don't.
Dredge really isn't all that powerful. He is decent but his mobility is not all that insane since you can use the locks to delay him quite a bit and his anti-loop is strong but doesn't work on maps with interconnecting loops. Nightfall is his real strength. He gets a lot faster with his teleport, his cooldowns are reduced, he is undetectable and survivors won't always take optimal pathing because of the darkness, so he gets some easier hits. Removing that would weaken him significantly and probably make him a joke for good survivors.
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There is a counter: don't get hit, don't be injured and don't get hooked. Just getting nightfall through teleporting takes ages and is borderline throwing.
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He's not meta right now, he has several tome challenges, thats why you are seeing him alot. So does oni.
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I mean again even without bad eyesight, Nightfall is still something thats meant to somewhat disorient and limit Survivors vision. Thats something even the most whackiest of filters wont "fix".
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I'm just curious my dude... when you say you have vision problems... what do you mean? Are you partially sighted?
I have one of the worst prescriptions of everyone I know... and ofc, I wear glasses... I'm straight up Velma Dinkley if I drop my glasses... but my glasses allow me to see fine.
I'm not colour blind, but Dredge makes everything grey scale, so I'm curious what type of colourblindness you have that is being affected so severely that colour blind mode doesn't fix...
The point being that, I can't see bugger all either... I can only see maybe 6m around the survivor and then the silhouette of the Dredge himself. This is the intention... it makes the game pretty damned creepy and immersive, and why the Dredge is generally well received as a better fear killer than most.
If it is a genuine accessibility issue... I think mydelf and everyone here currently doesn't understand the problem you're describing that is different for you compared to everyone else.
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I really think the dark overlay doesnt have to be that dark, just a bit of it to show the effect, the most important part is the black fog that limit LoS. The whole screen gets really dark stress my eyes
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If there was something equivalent that survivors could do to killers (like obscure their vision) they would be throwing fits and demanding nerfs.
But since it’s the other way around, it’s totally fine as evidenced by all the mental gymnastics on display in this thread.
This community is insufferable.
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Are you going to tell me, that it would be fine if survivors had perks or other tools to use a killer's power?
That is a hot take. Dredge was designed with this in mind. Survivors weren't. That is the main difference. Imagine if Oni suddenly had Trapper's power on top of his own for the cost of a perk slot. That would be absolutely ridiculous. Is that because Trapper is so strong? No, but you can't just add random things on random base kits and expect it to work out.
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Then the same argument worked for the survivors: THIS MECHANIC WAS CREATED TO INTERFERE WITH THE KILLER, AND IT SHOULD INTERFERE WITH THE KILLER.
No matter how annoying it is, it still shouldn't stop interfering with the killer under any settings, for example, flashlights, they annoy every killer who plays this game. Me for sure, but no matter how to change it, their aspects interfering with the killer should remain, because that this is the purpose of this item.
This is the essence of our discussion.
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I'm not sure if this discussion is about "Accessibility" or "Nerf Dredge". The lines are very blurred here even though they are two very different topics.
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I'm really dissapointed in the lack of empathy here. The amount of taunting and toxic replies is really depressing.
I'm not color blind, but I got lasik and have very bad dry eyes now and can't see well on most days. But this isn't about me, just relating a little to vision problems.
I absolutely hate nightfall, I just assumed it's supposed to be scary by not letting us see much. However, I do empathize with color blind folks, and I hope something is added to make it tolerable.
Just keep in mind I believe it's purpose is to make us feel lost and engulfed in darkness. One of my color blind friends just sneaks around until it's over.
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There is a rather unknown Haddie perk called Residual Manifest. It ain't meta, but blinding the killer to gens, hooks and their own items is surprisingly disorienting and I am quite happy that no more people are running this perk. But nerfing such a low-pick, low-power perk or throwing a fit about it? Naah.
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First of all, im sorry for your handicap. That being said, you cant demand that a game is designed or balanced around your handicap. Also, its really rare that i run into Dredge.
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I love it, i occationally use it.
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Nightfall is meant to be scary, but all it is is an accessibility nightmare.
I have short sightedness and astigmatisms and the darkness literally makes it impossible to distinguish between things in the environment whatsoever.
Also the audio that plays during Nightfall is just overwhelming. It's not even scary its just the constant moaning that gets louder as nightfall progresses just makes me feel drained. And with the addition of Dredge's loud passive audio from his body it just becomes too much.
Just because something is meant to hinder you, it shouldnt make it almost impossible for people with sight problems/ auditory problems to play against
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Are you seriously trying to compare Residual Manifest to Nightfall?
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If you make nightfall more visible you might as well remove it as shown how useless ptb nightfall was against people with semi-decent game sense. Dredge would need a full overhaul because without nightfall he is not a good killer.
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The thing that's supposed to make things hard to see actually makes things hard to see.
Sounds like it's working as intended.
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""If there was something equivalent that survivors could do to killers (like obscure their vision) they would be throwing fits and demanding nerfs.
But since it’s the other way around, it’s totally fine as evidenced by all the mental gymnastics on display in this thread.
This community is insufferable.""
Ma man proposed that killers would throw a fit if there awas an option that "like obscure their vision" and that "they would be throwing fits", yet displays their own mental gymnastics when Residual Manifest isn't obscuring enough. Of course Residual Manifest isn't the same to Nightfall (hint: nothing in the game is, its Dredges unique thing), but it obscures a killers vision and takes valuable information away.
BTW, do you know what 100% obscures a killers vision and has been in the game from basically day 1? Thats right, Flashlights! Crazy, ain't it? There are even chainblinds and extra long blinds, but I guess I am also conducting some mental gymnastics, to liken flashlight blinds to Nightfall. Under this definition of yours, obviously nothing would satisfy your demand, as anythign that would legitly blind the killer for 30s would basically win the survivors the game then and there.
Nightfall is supposed to be scary, some players actually try to sit this time out in a corner and cower in fear, just like in a movie. Many say that Dredge is the only killer that remotely tickels their horror vibes and scares them from time to time.
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He really strains the hell out of my eyes, so I usually just sit in a locker for the duration of Nightfall.
Better to possibly die than to hurt my eyes, ya know?
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Closing this here, between comments from those in the thread becoming argumentative, and some unnecessary comments regarding players with impairments. This thread has also been moved to Feedback & Suggestions, where these kind of threads should go so they are not lost in General Discussions.
Please remember to keep comments civil and respectful. Even if you are upset, even if you greatly disagree... stay calm, civil, and constructive with your comments & responses. Thank you.
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