No matter if SoloQ or Killer i see a DC or give up

I had an entire team giving up when I did my 2nd hook with my Clown. All 3 players ran towards me allowing a knockdown. I wonder if it was an SWF.

An incentive would help but a penalty is what brings results.

Or you know, just remove the ability to self unhook without deli?

Maybe make dc penalties a bit worse than they are now. People log in and play 5 games(leaving 3 of them) and do the same thing the next day.

Attacking the reasons for why people give up is a good start but it''s not enough in a pvp game and def not enough with how fragile players are in this game.

If the game's going badly, why not try to make a change? Why'd you go out of your way and even help the killer to make things worse.. It's almost as if you were enjoying losing at that point, because I can't see any reasonable reasoning why'd you wanna promote the stuff you're not fond of, including losing and one-sided matches for example. Like, do something about it instead of giving up, or at least try to..

Another thing you're mentioning are bloodpoints.. Fair. They might matter, but the moment you do get every single perk or the selection of perks you're comfortable with, they do become worthless. At that point, you do no longer care, so that does simply becomes an excuse whenever a veteran player claims so, not applying to the new players.

If you're being tunneled, get Off The Record and Decisive Strike.. Even if it's situational. Do fight what you hate and promote what you love or enjoy, no? So what that you don't get to use it if you equip it.. You were prepared, so you've done the right thing. You do run your loadout to promote your own gameplay and have fun, not to ruin somebody else's match.. So if the killer tunnels you, you do fight it and make it clear that tunneling you is the worst decision they can make.

The incentive isn't there.. It's the lack of morale. The motivation is to stay happy and behave like a person whom you wish to become in the future, nothing more and nothing less. It's no longer about the game, but about being happy with your decision makings.. Which also applies towards this game and the way you treat it; Don't wanna sweat? Then don't, and learn how to be satisfied with knowing that you've given it your all even if it wasn't good enough to outplay the competitive players.

It's up to each individual to learn how to handle losing and learn how to enjoy playing the games, how to learn how to no longer treat them competitively.. If they're incapable of donig that, they're not gonna have fun unless they win, period.

Kinda.. You do have the point, but self-unhooking shall stay in the game; What shall happen is to make self-unhooking without specific perks detectable by the game itself and make some penalties for repeatetive self-unhook actions in case X survivors are healthy, injured, or doing certain actions.

If no survivor is repairing a generator, healing themselves, (...) as shown in the HUD, then self-unhooking shall be OK and no longer punishable; However, the moment at least one survivor is doing something, then self-unhooking shall be detectable by the in-game report system and punish the player for doing so, unless they're running specific perks to increase the odds or having specific offerings burnt to increase them (could be burnt by other players) to promote reasonable unhooking and punish those who give up early.

Implementing a VOD history that can be watched by any BHVR member would be a good start to see, if the players is griefing or isn't griefing. Naturally, with that also implementing a replay feature to be able to tell if the killer who was facing you was cheating or wasn't, and so on..

We're kinda asleep with such features, as no matter where do you look, they're everywhere.. Literally everywhere.

3 point plan

1) Make joining a game mean, staying with it in spectator mode until the match is finished. Even on restarting the game.

2) make scoring based on team victory conditions. 4 escapes best survivor team score, worse killer score. 5 gens incomplete and all 4 sacrificed is best killer result and worst survivor team score. Grant bonus score for individual accomplishments.

3) both sides need hope that victory is possible. Improve matchmaking quality. For expexted lopsided matches institute a handcap on gen repair times

I often see survivors dc/suicide on the first hook, after the first chase of the match.

How is anyone supposed to evaluate how the match will go, just because that survivor had a bad start? He can´t know how the others will play, if they will last longer in a chase or if they actually know how to push gens. Instead they go "nah, this isn´t fun, lets end this".

Instead of punishing harder those who disconnect, bots were introduced. They sent the message that disconnecting is OK, so here are the results.

And that is fine.. My point was that they do ruin the match to other players and instead of taking a break until they feel better, they do head into the next match only to repeat the entire process once more, because, of course, nitpicking all the faults within the game is a very easy task for them to do to justify their own actions to themselves.

There's really no need to twist my words or to purposefully miss my point just for the sake of thinking that I do gotta be wrong.

Honestly, I wouldn't have believed you if I hadn't seen Otz's Troubleshooter video.

It's actually kind of shocking.

Hon, I needn’t twist your words and it’s not about being right or wrong. The essence of your whole comment was that survivors should remain in matches where they aren’t having fun because somebody elses fun is more important than their own. My response was that’s unrealistic, no game can force it, and no matter how you try to dress it up (“they should stay and learn from their mistakes/loss!” “They should play so that other people have fun, be compassionate” or whatever) it’s not gonna happen. People buy and play video games for their own entertainment, not the fulfillment of others. And that goes for killers AND survivors. It’s just the truth.

What's actually wild to me is in my survivor games the only time people DC/unhook is when they aren't being tunneled. I genuinely think I have only seen one player on my team that's getting tunneling leave the match.

As much as people try and blame it on tunneling and camping, I just don't see it in my games.

I seen like 1 dc over 3 days of playing killer personally.

This is kinda true, but a LOT of people give up even when the game is in our favour.

I can’t count the amount of times we are winning as survivor and then we just lose because someone decided to sacrifice themselves on first hook. Or where I’m killer and getting my ass kicked but end up winning because someone gave up simply because they messed up or I outplayed them.

An incentive to stay won’t necessarily solve the problem either as they’ll still throw just in a different way (AFK, hide all game, etc)

I disagree strongly. This is classic fixing the symptom not the problem. 2 years ago, basically no one every DC'd. What's changed since then, either in mechanics or style of play? I would argue that most of the recent killers are not as fun to play against in a very specific way. All the recent killers demolish looping and this facilitates easy tunnelling victory. Not all killers tunnel, but if they did, they would win far more of their matches. Tunnelling is too effective. This in turn has fostered the idea that once hooked it is pointless for person bloodpoint gain, rift challenges, or escapes. So why not go next.

This is a terrible set of incentives that have created the current dc / unalive meta.

The issue is different killer movement speed, slow moving killers need to tunnel the first survivor out of the game asap most of the time, to avoid getting destroyed. Because they use so much time going from A to B, and in most cases have a lot longer chases too.

But today, people DC if they get downed first, if they dont like the killer, dont like the map ect, ect. ruining the game for the rest of the survivors. And wasting everyones time but their own.

Their punishment should be equal to the time each of the remaining survivors had to be in the game, added up. and loose anyway, as a minimum punishment. (im only talking about repeated CDs).

The time penalty escalates with each DC and increases significantly between DC 2 and 3, depending on how frequently that player has DC’d in the past. It only shoots up from there, really. People who have DC’d a lot in the past also receive much stiffer penalties.

Hmm, except that you are twisting them to fit your narrtive right now, and have been doing that within your previous response aswell. You're probably oblivious to that, unless you're literally pulling my leg here.

It goes hand in hand - If somebody's not having fun and decides to ruin it to the other players, guess what.. Other players aren't gonna have fun aswell. The only way to break this repeatable cycle is to change your point of view or make it so that the other people will have fun, even if it's at your expense. Sooner or later, you will see people returning the favour, but it's of no wonder that you're not thinking along such lines, as you're only contributing to the issue at hand instead of trying to make things better for yourself and the other people around you.

If you're not willing to stay in the match, please, don't even bother playing the game in the first place. I don't wanna have my time ruined just because somebody's entitled and believes that the world circles around them, but I guess that this goes both ways too, doesn't it.. Which at that point, the discussion becomes pretty much pointless and with no way around what's going on, unless something convinces players to keep playing the matches.

I have games where survivors suicide/DC on their first hook after 3 gens have been completed