stranger things map

The map has basically nothing but unsafe pallets that are really easy to play around, it does however severely limit the usage of killers powers.

Also fair but then again that does not happen always and if it does it is just as problematic, for example midwich... But a complain about Hawkins is still valid.

You have to play boring, because you basically canot really use most killer powers and need to just force the drop of the unsafe pallet and get the hit afterwards, that combined with general problems of indoor maps makes hawkins an unpleasant map to play on.

I don't think you play maps differently as survivor... Sure indoor maps make pre-running and such a bit harder but your gameplay is the same on every map... Do gens, loop killer, unhook, heal open gates and get out. Sure the tiles you play on change, but the general gameplay does not... Or would you like to elaborate how exactly the gameplay changes? Other than some maps having different loops than others.

I mean sure Nurse can flick her blink, but that is not much different than huntress flicking her hatchet to hit smehwere else than where she was looking to... You are not supposed to dodge a blink in the open you re supposed to block line of sight and make it harder her for to blink where you are. In the chase itself killers basically need the upperhand because they need to win more than one chase to win the game, so they are supposed to eventually get the down and progress their game...

Sure, but also every killer has different abilities and so on, so that's not really a point.

You don't need to play hide and seek you can just take a chase, that's a weird point, it is just that it is easier on some maps to hide on than on others, but you still have the same gameplay options, they are just better on some maps, for example hiding in the bushes on saloon is way better of a strat than doing it on any other map. There is not a single map in the game where you cannot take chases as survivor and need to hide... Sure there are some killers that make chases harder or easier for you, but you can succeed nontheless. Even if I agreed with your point here you could make the same statement for killers in saying that for example stealth killers need to adapt to the map they are playing on and changing their approach, in that sense killers play maps differently as well... But they somewhat even do in the sense of dropping chase at some places because it would take too long...

That's not true, the gameplay for each killer changes in the form of their power being different and you need to get good at different things in that sense? Sure if you look at the overall gameplay goal it is the same, but they way you can reach that goal differs.

As for the onetrick point... If you play Billy on a map with bad collision that just sucks, same goes for other killers because they cannot use their power there properly, and using the killers power is the main reason to play that specific killer... Maps should be designed in a way that every killer is able to properly use their power and it i just not the case... On some maps this is just pain, Singularity on indoor maps, Billy/Blight on Maps with bad collision, chainsaw killers on Eyrie of crows and so on... So it is actually bad map design if this happens, just like in this case as well.

You got that entirely wrong... Killers don't have to struggle more on Hawkins, it is just not interactive... Because every single pallet plays the same, you force the drop, don't get stunned and then you get the m1, however hitting your power is really hard... They don't struggle, they just have to play the boring m1 part on every single tile... Maybe except like 2-3 pallets... Also I'm not saying they have an advantage, it is more that over time the map gets emptier and eventually you're not supposed to have ressources anymore, but at that point, if you did your job the game is already over... It is just that eventually when you don't work on gens and burn through everything on the map at this point the killer already one, because there is nothing left on the map to work with.

Its bad for killers but also for survivors.

No indications where gens are

No safe pallets.

No safe drops from hight.

Its map designed for M1 killers, and only for them:

Trapper, Wraith but without cloak, hillbilly without chainsaw, demogorgon with reduced shred, Sadako, Pinhead, Pig. Executioner should feel good here.

Gen indicators are bugged right now. There uses to be flickering lights on the hallways where uncompleted gens are. And closed doors also indicate a gen (like on The Game).

There are bunch of safe pallets and loops in the small rooms with the catwalks.

Some of the catwalks and Portal room provide safe drops.

Hag and Artist is good on this map and I guess Wesker will be too when the stupid collision bug is gone.

There are like 2 safe pallets? in the long room, as far as i know and even those can be played around and don't necessarily need to be kicked, or am I missing any? The map just spawns a whole lot of pallets but rarely strong ones, most are just really unsafe.

The catwalk pallets in the small rooms are very strong because you can play good mindgames with the window on top. Then there is the long room with 2 pallets and the other long room which can either spawn 2 mediocre pallets or one god pallet. The portal room has 2 god-windows.

I wouldn't call those ones very strong... They are almost always a guaranteed hit, sure the long room ones are quite good, but I dont know what you mean with either a god pallet or two 2 mediocre ones?

I think the one window in the control room is pretty busted, Hens said it is a true infinite if you use the shift tech, but I don't know, I would however tend to believe him, whereas the window above the glass roof is not as strong, but still pretty good.

I mean sure they are not all the quality of the one pallet that spawns upstairs but I would even call the one you named really good mediocre, it is not as terrible as the ones that spawn in corridors, but it is still fairly bad or mediocre at best.

Ok.

But for that to be possible you would need to drop down not through the window but off of the roof? And that does not really seem optimal... Why would you even go upstairs? If you are not doing the Gen there, you have an infinite window at the bottom.

There is not really much of a mindgames with the vault near the Gen, you just vault it when the killer reaches a certain point...

What Hens was referring to is that you can vault it unlimited times if you never run while the killer sees you, so you don't enter chase and can therefore vault it as often as you want without it getting entity blocked, you just only run when the killer is vaulting or you are out of sight, that's what people also do at shack to vault the window more than 3 times. You don't even need the up stairs part for that.