What do you think is genuinely unfair in this game?

I mean high walls and line of sight blockers work against Nurse, which is why indoor maps are significantly harder to play on as her, same goes for main buildings on many maps, for example bedham... So it is not like there is nothing you can do, it is just that different things are more effective against her that provide not much for much other killers.

We are complaining about Bubba? The guy that gets stuck with his chainsaw on every branch on Eyrie or Yamaoka, or garden of joy or red forrest... I mean sure an insta down is strong but Bubba is loopable fairly easily, Sure he shreds through pallets quite fast but you cannot slide along walls like Oni, because you go into tantrum, so I don't really find the comparison on point, besides the AOE of his chainsaw I guess.

Too little Effort? You finished all 5 gens and played without a 4th perk this entire time, I think the perk is alright.

About windows, I thought similar to that as well, but there is one aspect about it that you neglect here, it also shows you which of tiles you might have already known what they are, are still usable... If you play soloq you have no clue what tiles your teammates already used, so just identifiying for example a long wall jungle gym does not really tell you whether or not some other teammate already dropped the pallet there, which is why I somewhat disagree.

The UI was more about closing the gap between soloq and swf (with coms) which I think was a good start with this one, not enough yet though. It is just a question of having a homogenous group of players to balance around that all have somewhat the same tools to use.

As for what I find unfair:

1. Maps in general: They vary way too much in strenght and even the same map can spawn completely dry or busted like nothing you've seen before, and then as well maps that just have stupid ideas the community told them about but nothing changes... Maps spawning 20+ safe pallets, every tile connecting along a line, basically infinite windows in main buildings and so on... The map design is just not on spot.
2. Addons: Some Killers have completely useless addons that basically add not much to their strenght and others have the most busted stuff you have ever seen... Just compare Nemesis or Freddy with Myers or Blight...
3. Matchmaking: It just puts people randomly together on one day you get a literal comp team with 12 k hours each and on the next day you getthe biggest potatoes you've seen in months the inconsistency is really annoying...
4. The community is something really annoying, on the one hand they complain when behaviour once again puts something that should be a basic game mechanic behind a perk so that the issue stays but if you don't like it you can use the perk, which is just ridiculous, despite not everyone having all perks at all times it stays annoying, but then they also complain when new base mechanics get introduced, because that is clearly a buff for the other and side and for some reason it is always an us vs them debate as if people only ever played one role and just because they think one thing is busted they need to be x-sided... It is such a kindergarden sometimes... And the real issue of actually going against major gameplay issues and such just gets pushed in the background over such childish things.
5. The developers being stubborn about mistakes they made... It is okay to come up with bad takes and even when it is basically your game you can still have a bad take, but so many times after the community told them and over again about bad ideas they still don't learn from it... They give us the same issue ridden maps, change addons or perks in ways that are completely useless or guts killers in a way nobody wants to play them anymore, and despite having a ptb, despite having people telling them that things are a bad idea they still go through it... It just gives away the feeling that they don't really care, it just such a "My way or the high way mentality"... Oh and if they decide to fix something it takes ages... For some reason putting a light in the main building of garden of joy took like half a year or something... Come on man you have a killswitch for that stuff if something does not work like it is supposed to just killswitch it so we don't have to deal with stupid things like that.
6. The game is now 7 years old and still misses basic options... You cannot mute specific players in endgame chat but only the entire chat, the graphics options used to be majorly useless for years and people needed to change numbers in files to get basic functionality which every game should have... Come on these are things that used to be standard for over a decade now, and you still haven't managed it..

Currently survivors have been and continue to be given basekit buffs, something killers haven't gotten in a long time, or ever afaik. Brutal strength could easily be made basekit and be a fair change.

Nurse, blight, spirit, plague, onoryo , skull merchant are unfair

and just solo Q in general, I escape like 20% of the time it's automatically unfair, imagine playing any other game let's say league of legends, but you already know before game start that your chance of winning is 20%

Expecting forum people to put their bias aside is cray cray and requires divine power!🤠

Basically what LordGlint said.

We don't want maps to effectively be the same so we accept some maps will help/harm certain killers as long as it's down to RNG. But the offerings force the map unless another offering fights it.

I think it's a huge fallacy to say map offerings are unfair but maps themselves are fine.

There's functionally no difference to your game if you end up on a map at random, or via your opponent playing an offering. You can play a sacrificial ward to cancel out someone's offering, but still end up going to the same map through sheer (bad) luck anyway, and the outcome is the same. The only thing that's changed is your perception, of your opponents intentions/attitude.

Ultimately you are spending your one offering slot to give you/your team an advantage, which is the purpose of offerings. Oaks, Reagents, Blueprints, Coins, all exist to give your side an edge. Map offerings are no different.

The balance issues for most maps are very overblown. Most maps are not unplayable for one side, most maps are entirely viable even the the odds are stacked against you. The few that aren't deserve rebalancing. Which just goes to show the issue isn't offerings, but the maps themselves.

What I would like to see though, is more variation of maps within a given Realm, so that any given offerings doesn't only have a single option to send you to. Which would steer them more in the direction of being used aesthetically.

Matchmaking

Certain Killers being what they are... mostly PC and Console based cause Nurse on PC is different then Nurse on console (same with Blight)

Gen efficiency not being looked at... we need to have a version on Gens that make it possible to win a match cause the Killer didn't pay much attention to Gens but lose when "no ones doing Gens"

It would be great if both sides can prove they have the overall skill (Both mechanically and gamesense) without "I ran the Killer for 5 Gens but died so where's my MMR"... or "I had to repair all of the Gens (2-3), Get chased, Get hooked so where's my MMR"

Also the Tome's have gotten out of hand... if you have to bring a different build for one node then I don't think that it's worth it

I also believe that most of the issues are in the back end (planning and coding)

Yes which makes them somewhat one sided, which is generally speaking bad map design, unless of course you make it so not every killer can get every map. Even stealth killers can still somewhat work well on most maps if you have some high line of sight blockers.

Two things: SWF and gigantic maps

SWF is unfair, only because BHVR ignores that they exist when they create and balance things. We constantly see new perks/features introduced in PTBs and SWF groups immediately show it to be completely broken (5+ endurance hits, healing faster than the killer can attack, etc).

It's like no one at BHVR realizes SWF is a thing when they're building something and it takes them by surprise EVERY TIME when it's exploitable by SWF to the point of invincibility, and they have to scramble to add a fix.

I don't think SWF should be removed, nor do I think it should have its own queue. Despite the fact that SWF has a clear, objective advantage, they're clearly never going to adjust for it so I just want BHVR to take them into account when they create things, and to add some kind of SWF indicator in the lobby.

As for maps, we've seen BHVR make an effort to shrink maps lately and reduce pallet counts and safe loops, but IMO they haven't gone far enough in either case. Lots of maps are still gigantic, chock full of safe pallets, and have multiple chainable god windows (with an occasional infinite thrown in).

I think it is genuinely unfair to players that we don't have separate queues or game modes yet

I think designing killers for certain peripheral inputs like on PC but not controller is unfair

The most unfair thing to me is the poor optimization across consoles, especially for users of a platform like Switch. I would classify Switch treatment as being a step away from cruel and unusual punishment

How did I forget about the huge maps? Totally agree. It can be so punishing to play on these maps with a poor mobility Killer. Lately it seems like BHVR have realised this, so the issue should improve a little with any future maps / reworks.

I think it's mostly fine too (outside of the events, anyway). It's better than it was, though a couple of maps here and there are still bad.

But Haunted by Daylight was a pretty rough experience all round.

I disagree with everything expect blight add ons. Nurse is fine, bubba is weak... Adrealine is balanced it would be garbage without good effect as it only work when gens are done. Killer has equal perk as well noed which almost always quarantee extra kill or two if you play right.

Windows is fine it best effect is showing what pallets are used so the perk helps significantly soloQ players. If the effect showing pallet is nerfed that won't affect experienced players but hurt newbies. Hud is not enough for soloQ but it is improvement now we just need basekit kindred.

The matchmaking probably

I'll be matched up with a full p100 sweat squad with meta perks while I'm a level 10 demogorgan with 2 green perks and no add-ons.

Adrenaline - the perk is a dead slot the entire game, activates once and you need to complete your objective to get value. If the effet was weaker than it is now it would be absolutely worthless.

As for my opinion, not in order of importance

1) NOED - Pretty much the opposite of adrenaline. A perk that activates because your opponents finished their objective (aka you're losing) shouldn't be this strong

2) The fact that solos can't see their teammates loadouts when swf can just tell eachother. Maybe unfair is not the right feeling but it's certainly annoying

3) Survivor noises not being equal. It's a pain that some survivors are harder to play as or against because BHVR lied when they said they would equalize their sounds

Definitely harder to play, for sure. I know I certainly don't play as well I do on PC as either Killer or Survivor. When I'm frenzying with The Legion, it's much harder to effectively chain hits and it makes me not want to play my main quite so often. Good news for the Survivors that hate them, I guess.

When you consider that the Switch version is essentially the mobile gaming port of the game, it's a little easier to forgive its sins. But it's still the worst version of the game. That said, I would absolutely continue to play and enjoy DBD if I only had a Switch to play it on.

I play on switch, and I can confirm it's definitely playable but nobody should ever look at it if they have another console. The frame drops aren't the worst thing ever, I've played other games on switch where the frames are consistently much worse, but the view distance is the real problem. Dude I cannot see anything, I'm already not that good at tracking survivors because of my poor eyesight, but the switch version makes it much worse. I can physically see the pixels on my screen.

It's so bad that when a survivor isn't right in front of my face I genuinely cannot see them, it's like they've drank an invisibility potion or something. Also everything is way too dark, might just be my TV though. The darkness paired with the viewing distance makes for a not so fun experience as killer. And the fov seems really low, it's really easy for somebody to spin and cause me to miss. It just feels clunky a lot of the times, that's why I almost always run shadowborn on all killers. Although, the fov could just be a problem with base dbd in itself.

Totally agree with this.

Adrenaline only gives you value if you make to end game and are injured/hooked. at least half the time you get no value. I just can't look at a perk that only gives you value part of the time as being unfair.

And the HUD was huge (maybe vital) for solo queue and almost irrelevant to players in SWF/comms, so it's helping those who need it (which is most of the surv player base), and not so much the survs who were already dominating.

What do I think is really, truly unfair? Not much. Blight's busted add-ons, Nurse's power (I don't even really look at Nurse matches as even being part of the broader game), SWF comms (but that really doesn't matter, since there's nothing to be done for it).

And none of that keeps me up at night or anything.

Now that I think of it, map balance (or lack thereof) is probably the most unfair thing in the game; being immediately screwed by the parameters of the match isn't ideal.

The game should be reworked because it is a terrible map with 20+ safe pallets and no reason to ever greed a pallet or to show some form of skill, the map is just atrocious.

Just because it is hard does not mean it should not be done. There just should not be maps that offer no high walls at all and there shouldnt be maps that have nothing else... Because the one side of the coin destroys stealth approaches and the other one is miserable against Range killers and Nurse and many more... It is really not that hard to find a middle ground here.