sprint burst and lithe are everywhere

If you are a ranged killer or have stealth abilities you can severely reduce the effectiveness if not outright ignore the effects of both of these perks though.

Do I find these perks annoying sometimes? Sure. Do they need to be adjusted? No.

You act as if the same thing doesn't happen to both sides. Gen regression perks have been in the same boat forever - nerf one, and then the next one that annoys people is complained about until it gets nerfed. The reality is, with the exception of a few edge cases in specific situations, there are no problematic perks on either side right now. They need to be looking at the weakest perks and bringing the levels on those up so there are more options.

Long story short, people will always complain about something that hinders their objectives in game, regardless of if it's actually a problem.

Stop abusing the definiton of "tunneling". And try to getr some gamesinse for killer gameplay. Its not that hard at all, in fact its never been this easy and people always were able to stomp general survivor teams. And by your logic, how about changing all of killers regression too? An eye for an eye as you said.

Amazing bait!

Look at all the 'old hands' you got engagement from!

*salute*

How is self-healing still strong? One med-kit has just enough charges for one heal - not withstanding how multiple killer perks can completely negate this anyway (Franklins, Sloppy Butcher, etc). I only talk about med kits as you can no longer self-heal with CoH and Self-Care is one of the worst survivor perks.

Med-kits are only strong when healing others, which they should be as it rewards altruistic play.

To be fair, those first three absolutely had it coming. Old DH was easily the most broken thing in the game for years (un unlike SB and Lithe, was actually an extra health state); its death was overdue and well deserved. Old DS needed nerfed, but certainly not to the degree it has been.

But coming for Lithe and SB is hilarious. Both have a somewhat limited use opportunity. None of the current exhaustion perks are problematic at all as they are restricted in various ways.

Windows is a baby perk (I'm more that fine with my opponents running that), Distortion is fine. FTP+BU might be a bit much in tandem.

But this is just one side of the surv/killer entitlement coin; some people just don't want their opponent to have any useful tools at their disposal.

Personally I think they should buff Balance Landing to add more exhaustion perk diversity. No one really uses it unless they bring a map offering for it.

I quoted the wrong post. 😂 Sorry about that. <3

The Dead Hard meta was horrible. . . For years. The healing meta was miserable if you didn’t run the best killers. SB and Lithe are fine.

I heard a good VOD about the state of DBD, and I think it summarized it. Survivors doing gens is BORING! Looping the killer is fun. Most of the things have encouraged survivors to hurry up and do the gens and spend less time interacting with the killer. Overall, everyone has less fun. I don’t have a fix. We do have more perk variability (on both sides) than we used to, which is nice. I think the base gameplay needs to change. (#########, they could add a hardcore mode or a random perk mode. . . Something without working too hard).

Fortunately, the forums aren't an IQ test @_@

Oh I saw that. My point stands firm hon.

With how nerfed healing has become over the years people have gone back to gen rushing like when Plague dropped. It's easier to rush gens and force you to patrol them harder or lose gen's. It's one of the biggest tactics vs Plague and Legion. Over the year's a lot of more experienced player's actually do not care if they are healed or not. They will either heal under the hook and go to a gen or if the killer returns to hook a lot just immediately jump back on a gen.

Also Tunneling refer's to a killer actively chasing and downing the same survivor off hook and throughout the game until they are dead. It's a terrible experience as a survivor and honestly boring as killer. Yes there are times that tunneling can be beneficial, but the few time's it's actually worth it vs how often it happens is excessive. A survivor can not tunnel a generator though they can hard aggro it and become the easiest person in the world to beat. Most people go blind to logic when they have a need to hard focus a single gen like this. You could not imagine how many people i have seen die or killed in DBD because of this. This is one of the biggest free hook's you'll ever get.

As for the exhaustion perk's with how many are nerfed and how many requires specific conditions outside a normal chase. Yes Lithe and Sprint Burst have become dominant perk's for exhaustion. THEY DO NOT GIVE A FREE HEALTH STATE. That perk is called Adrenaline. Sprint Burst will usually only activate once maybe twice in chase if people know how to loop properly and can function it to 99%. Lithe is the same, but the fast vault condition along with someone who has the ability to 99% the perk can be extremely back breaking if they can loop properly. If you are aware of these perks on people and still attempting to take the swing and not holding the attack than that's not a perk issue it's an you issue. The reason exhaustion perks are so strong is the distance gained either because of a stun or a missed attacking. They give people the ability to get to a safe area where you now have to chase them. If you know about the perk's they are much much more manageable and less hurtful.

Survivors have had some of the most powerful perks nerfed over the last few year's. Flashlights, Toolboxes, Medkits, Gen Times, Addons have all be worked on to reduce how effective they can be and in what situations. With some of the most powerful perks nerfed it's actually created more perk and build variety than i saw maybe 2 years ago. Killers have also received Buff's and nerf's over the year's. Some i would say are justified some i still raise an eyebrow at and have a "#########" look too. They have had perk, addon, power, blood lust, simple QoL change's. Some major some not so much. I don't feel that every single update they need to 1 for 1 a survivor or killer buff or nerf for each side.

People want to win and therefore will always run some of the best perk's FOR BOTH SIDES. Some will be straight up strong perk's like Lithe and Sprint Burst, Some will run synergistic builds that are powerful via synergies that work well together, Some will run perk combos that are mid to low end alone that are extremely back breaking and strong together, Some will run meme builds, and some will run comfort perk's. That's what makes the game fun.

If as a killer people are not healing than give them a reason to heal, give them a reason to waste time doing stuff that are not just gen's. The game has perk's that are made for this. Take advantage of the resources the game gives you to pull out a win. Use the information the survivors give you to learn the perk build they are most likely running. Because survivors do that to killer's trust me.

OP might have been a troll, but this sparked some valid points and discussions along the line ... amazing! A forum, where people exchange ideas and different point of views.