Why are you nerfing low tier killers by nerfing STBFL doubly.

It shouldn't even be a thing in the first place, the whole thing about STFBL is it's strong if it reach full stack but can be countered by (smart) obsession taking hits, the fact that killers can bypass the counter by using M2 is so dumb.

The stack loss change doesn’t affect most of the lower tier killers. It does hurt Pig and Trapper, but we all know they should be buffed anyway, and luckily for us, Pig is on the roadmap for changes.

The counter for m2 killers is just different. You get slower stacks but have an easier time at keeping them. The obsession also can make it so you still can't chase them as m2 since they can loop unsafe tiles that force the m1, which will hurt significantly more when you have a slower stack gain.

the obsession can for some reason step on a trap 4 times to make him lose all his stacks

Do you realize how much time this would waste for survivors. Like the obsession needs to find an armed trap get trapped and freed to make the killer lose 2 stacks of STBFL. They also have to hope that the trapper doesnt have the purple coil to make them downed or bring a second survivor to free them. Like I will take that time sink as it will take another 16 seconds to heal assuming they want to try again or longer with a med kit. All for a perk they are either assuming I have or that I have enough stacks that they know I have it, either way is good for me.

Again I feel like as a killer this goes back to my trapper thought. If the obsession wants to use plot twist to take 2 stacks away like thats their full perk except during end game. If they want to use it with a second person that is 16 seconds of time from two survivors where they are not doing gens or working on objectives in addition to the perk slot. Also I would have had to injure them at one point unless they use FTP which again is more time and perks. Like I know I am cool with it. The only time this might be a problem is end game with someone on hook but if thats the case damn they dedicated resources and respect.

Not to mention, you get a notification on where they are while they are doing it.

So the to pull this off its going to take two survivors roughly a minute of gameplay. That's being generous to how far they have to run to be safe so the killer doesn't just hear the injured survivor.

If there was a perk that got tokens the exact same way as STBFL that had the description: 'upon gaining 8 stats, two survivors will gain the incapacitated status effect for one minute', killers would definitely run that perk.

That's not even taking into account the possibility of the killer finding the survivors who are doing this, increasing the time needed by gaining stacks, the perk slots wasted, the killer actually running this perk, there not being a more pressing need like rescuing a survivor from a hook, or if the obsession doesn't end up on the right people. Realistically it's much easier for the obsession to just body block the killer and then run to teammates for more body blocks heals if they wanted to do this.

Even if, hypothetically, all of the above was wrong during the PTB, its an incredibly simple fix on BHVR's part.

Well, yes, but that's not the nerf being called attention to in the original post. I was responding to highlighting the stack loss nerf, which only a handful of killers are even in a position to notice -- and of those, only one of them is actually low tier.

Feel like this might increase tunneling if the obsession is the unhooker. Now rather than chasing the obsession with M2 hits, ppl will ACTUALLY save them for last.

If this list is meant to be a list of STBFL users, it's a little off the mark. Why is Legion on here? They have almost no use for STBFL, they injure almost exclusively with special attacks and shortening the cooldown after downing a survivor is of pretty limited value as well as leading to quite slow stack gain in the first place. Let's take them off the list before we continue, they don't really make any sense to be here.

We'll also call into question Knight and to a lesser extent Pig. Now, Knight's not actually all that low tier anyway, but more important for this list is that his M2 is not easy to mitigate stack loss with due to just... everything about how it works, it's much more potent as a vehicle to engineer M1s than it is a tool for actually damaging survivors. Pig is in a similar boat, but to be fair, that's just because her M2 is straight up bad rather than designed differently, so for the sake of argument we'll keep her.

With those two taken off, let's look at these killers.

Pig: Arguably not deserving to be on this list as I mentioned, but even assuming she's here, Pig's middle of the pack and not a low tier killer.

Demogorgon: Mid tier, not low tier.

Deathslinger: Again, mid tier, and also not that great at using STBFL anyway? Sure, there's the chain breaking trick, but he still has to basic attack the Obsession eventually.

Pyramid Head: Definitely a higher tier killer. Also kind of questionable to be on this list? I don't really play him though, so maybe good PHs can freely swap between M1 and M2.

Nemesis: Higher tier killer, gets reduced use from STBFL since his tentacle is better than an M1 in almost all scenarios.

So, our list here doesn't actually contain the one good STBFL user that is low tier - Trapper - and includes a bunch of killers that are not great users of the perk, not low tier killers, or both. The killers that actually use STBFL pretty well tend to not be low tier killers - aside from Trapper, killers like Myers, Clown, Ghostface, and Freddy don't actually have any special tricks for preventing stack loss reliably. Low tier killers don't use STBFL to begin with, mid tier killers do.

Also, not the point of the post, but more than just Nurse and Blight are viable. Even if we expand to just the A tier and assume everyone else is unsuable trash, that still leaves Spirit, Wesker, Plague, and a few others.

This is a nerf for controller players

This is literally the only concern I would have. Personally I would have kept it at 5%, changed the saying to damage the obsession by any means but then if the obsession is alive when a non-obsession becomes unhooked they become the new obsession.(IE Michaël being obsessed with those he hasn't finished off yet.) this would keep the spirit of the perk and strength of the perk as long as you didn't tunnel. It would also have better synergy with dying light and play with your food.

Legion doesn’t really benefit much from STBFL if you use frenzy correctly so its not going to effect him.

The nerf to 4% might be fine for compensation with 2 stacks being base-kit, but removing its ability to dodge the loss of stacks? Beyond ridiculous. STBFL is a powerful perk but it's not game-breaking and I wouldn't consider it to be overpowered either.

I think the disconnect here is your thinking average killer experience and reinami is thinking top killer experience. At the top those killers are low at best. When the survivors are very efficient your literally at the mercy of "will they mess up" instead of like nurse and blight whom allow you to force the survivors into whatever situation you want from the beginning. While I do not disagree with you on only mid tier killers with m2 powers using stbfl, It should be one or the other.