Pig Players, How Would You Change Her?

screams and stopping interacting no longer reset box progress then a bunch of buffs to the rest of her kit

110% crouch speed

0.7s crouch time (at 3.6m/s)

0.7s uncrouch time (at 3.6m/s)

Visible terror radius (aka you can see it shrink and regrow with a small radius on the ground preferably all stealth effects would be visible like this to let you better use stealth as you approach where you think survivors are)

Bonus trap placement speed by the bag / crate of gears basekit (and removed from the addons) so you can save a bit of extra time trapping survivors

Traps can be used after all gens are powered but always require 2 searches to remove

Traps are disabled when there is only 1 survivor remaining (so normal hatch and endgame after hatch is closed)

Having harder Skillchecks

No great skillcheck zones

Survivors can't interact with the Boxes until a Gen is done... I know that it won't change much but

I think one thing to note about Pig's crouch is it doesn't count as being in chase, and thus RBT count down. Survivors can run in front of a crouched Pig and never activate a chase. Currently she can't really chase Survivors crouched since...she's slower than survivors. If they ever make this NOT be the case, they would also need to ensure it counts as being in chase.

Current PTB Sadako works like this while demanifested, so I don't see this being a problem.

Good catch, you can now start chases with survivors while crouching, if that ruins stealth too much then make it only if they have a reverse bear trap that you can "chase" while crouching

Good catch, ok change the 2nd one to if 3 survivors have been sacrificed or killed by any means then traps are disabled. Meaning if you get someone down in endgame give them a party hat and their team leaves them behind they are stuck there with you (still could get hatch)

I doubt it would ruin stealth since chases only start if a survivor is running in front of you within close range. Typically if you are sneaking up on people, it's not when they are running directly in front of you.

I'd like to have more kinds of traps. Be able to trap lockers, doorways, windows and such but have some sort of visible tell for those paying attention. Keep the party hat limit, but have a separate limit for minor traps that can be active at any given time. These wouldn't kill, but have minor effects such as temporarily blind, exhaustion, or other types of status effects. At worst, they could damage from healthy to injured, and if already injured, cause deep wounds.

Buff her crouch speed.

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Nerf every other killer but Pig to balance things out. (j/k)

One meta kind of off topic note about Pig: her Iri addons are, in my opinion, very well designed. They have clear benefits and losses. You gain a power and give something up in return. There's no real super sweat version of Pig were you just give yourself a bunch of powerful bonuses at no cost like you can with some other killers. I think if more killers were treated like that on the addon front the balance issues would be clearer.

I think they cant. She has build-in slowdown. If her stealth is as strong as Wraith, GF, then beartrap should go.

Pigs can do that much now at normal speeds. Just gets kinda tricky vaulting things, or keeping at it for an extended time.

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Changes for our lady would be:

• faster crouch movement speed (100% movement speed base)
• faster crouching and uncrouching (combat straps basekit)
• longer ambush duration
• survivors can longer die to a rbt while searching a jigsaw box

The RBTs are extremely oppressive even without addons. You just need to know how to use all the different rng-variations correctly.

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IMO, the complete RNG swing on the RBTs can be controlled to make things better for both sides. Just make each RBT take a random number from 2 to the total number of boxes -1, and that's how many boxes the survivor will need to clear to get the RBT off. This'll still put a tangible pressure on them, but they won't randomly get sniped for no reason, while simultaneously cutting off the absolutely terrible outcome of them lucking out on the first box and getting rid of Pig's major slowdown in no time at all.

And then just work on Ambush to make it more functional, like increasing the crouched movespeed and perhaps making the roar occur at the end of the charge-up, rather than the start. (And make a brown add-on to have the roar at the start. For meme purposes.)

Strong disagree on that one. An RBT kill should be a failure on the survivor's part, not random luck. The more RNG gets involved, the more terrible she is to face and balance. If she can get a kill in a single down by pure chance, you can't buff anything else in her kit because she can, theoretically, be by far the strongest killer in the game.

In actuality it's likely not going to happen, but it's an eventuality you have to account for.

RBTs should be retooled to be for slowdown, not for killing directly.

I have the feeling we have a ton alike in our gameplay. I have medical file and combat straps autolocked on her. They really do make her a lot more fun to play an open up a lot of interesting mindgames and plays in general.

I left the ambush roar out for one reason only: the memes. (You know what i mean)

Otherwise, i absolutely agree! The roar could / should start later. If it where not for the memes it would destroy, i'd even suggest putting the roar on the ambush attack entirely.

In a discord channel we were discussing how to "fix" the problem of the Pig chasing the survivor with an active bear trap while crouched, not giving a chance of them to remove the trap

I gave some suggestions to address that and buff the Pig at the same time:

• Survivor's with an active RBT that are put into the dying state automatically breaks the trap
• The Pig starts the game with 2 more traps base kit
• Rules Set number 2 add-on base kit
• The search speed of Jigsaw boxes is reduced by 50%

Still, some people were saying this is a nerf to the Pig...

I didnt say her nerfs were needed (well body block was).

I meant the different between Wraith, GF, Pig is Wraith has speed, GF has instant down, Pig has slowdown.

If you buff Pig in chase aspect as strong as Wraith and GF. Pig would be equal to them PLUS the slowdown. I would buff her slowdown instead

Also a nice idea.

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• Increase crouched movement speed to 4.0 m/s from 3.6 m/s
• Make the undetectable status effect happen instantly after the crouch animation is done.
• Undetectable now lingers for 3 seconds after uncrouching.

• The pig only starts the roar when the ambush attack actually starts
• Reduce crouch time to 0.75 seconds from 1.2 seconds.
• Rework traps to be more of a threat, but less prone to tunneling/scumminess
  • Traps no longer require a generator to "activate" and activate immediately.
  • Reduce death timer to 120 seconds from 150 seconds.
  • If a survivor is in a chase, the timer no longer pauses, but reverses, granting an additional 1 second of trap time for every second in a chase
  • If the trap death timer increases to 150 seconds, the trap is automatically removed (30 seconds of hard tunneling)
  • If the survivor is downed, the timer reverses at twice the speed giving back 2 seconds for 1 second spent down.
  • If the trapped survivor is hooked, the trap is automatically destroyed.
  • While working a box, the timer is paused
  • While wearing a trap, survivors gain the endurance status effect.
  • Increase the amount of traps the pig gets from 4 to 6.
  • Maintain a level of normalized RNG for traps:
    • 1 trap takes 1 search
    • 2 traps take 2 searches
    • 2 traps take 3 searches
    • 1 trap takes 4 searches
    • Trap order is randomized.

  
  

  The general gist here is to increase the power of the ambush attack to actually make it an "ambush" as well as make it more viable in chases but still mindgamable by both sides (i.e. which direction you are dashing in a loop, or if the survivor leaves the loop etc.) While also increasing the lethality of the traps themselves and making them more of a threat that needs to be dealt with (more traps, immediate activation, less time) but effectively making it so a survivor with a trap is by design supposed to be ignored by the killer and if they try to tunnel that survivor, they will have a bad time.

  
  

  If this make the pig too strong, consider reducing the traps back down to 4, or slightly weakening the ambush attack.

All the obvious buffs have been stated already (rightly so), so I'll throw in one from left field.

Make it so she can vault pallets and windows mid-Ambush attack just like Wesker.

Pig can now also replenish missing traps, but it requires her to do some in-game action to recycle a used trap.

Ambush lasts 20% longer. Not quite as long as SnD, but enough to give her dash a much-needed boost.

I don't think do...

But the skillcheck can't be the same size as Gen's (I don't know for sure)

And having a great skillcheck zone also doesn't make much sense