Freddy deserves same love as Sadako and Billy got
Sadako's old power improved and coming back.
Billy is coming back with very decent buffs and his annoying nerf finally removed.
We need old Freddy too. His new power is boring and it does not feel like Freddy himself. But you had it. You got amazing Freddy design which felt Nightmare Demon himself.
We just need him back with some good buffs and QoL changes.
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Sadako got back to trash tier and you call this a buff?
If this is the kind of change they are offering, I'd rather have Freddy as he currently is. Unchanged.
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This is what I hope for.
If Sadako got it, why not Freddy?
We need our killer back.
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How she is trash? She will still stack on survivors with any teleport if survivors ignore TVs. Her most used add-on is base-kit now. She can chase in stealth mod again. She can lock stacks now if she hook survivors.
You are free to dislike Sadako but calling this nerf is ridiculous lol. She is fine.
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She will apply a single stack on survivors within 16 meters of teleportation. Survivors will be running with tapes now and deposit those when their stack count is high. Meanwhile she still has bad chase potential.
She is exactly that old Sadako but with Red Addon being her basekit which promotes tunneling a single person when possible and nothing else. Watch how everyone will be running with tapes and Sadako being a basic M1 killer that gets either gen rushed or looped for ages.
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I won't. I can't talk about you but i am doing fine even with killers like Clown.
I was doing good with Sadako and i doubt my performance will change that much. I am actually thinking i can get even more moris since i can lock stacks when i hook them.
So if you are not good with her or if you dislike her, you can play different killers. We have +30 of them, i am sure you can find some killers which is more fun for you.
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I'm doing fine with Clown myself. At least he has means of catching up with people.
Old Sadako was a joke only worked on absolutely clueless people or plain trolls. Any player with brain could run away from her and never worry about entire condemnation system.
I don't know what people you are playing with. Clearly there's a huge difference in the quality of the matches we both do have.
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I agree, Freddy's old iteration would actually fare much better in todays meta when you consider the built in slowdown and information, which weren't as valued back in the day.
Of course it can't be a 1 to 1 port as he still had his issues, but at least he'd be unique
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Or maybe you are not as good as you are thinking, this is also in possible you know. Because Sadako had pretty decent kill rate but low pick rate. This just means people who was playing her was good killers.
Or maybe she is just not your type. I don't know. Like i said, you are free to dislike her. But just because you dislike, it does not mean she is trash. It's just your opinion which is i disagree.
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I consider myself decent enough. I know difference between troll games and swf sweatfest. I've been matched and played with enough people so I have some experience as well.
My first matches with her were typical pubstomp, just like with all killers that were released at their time. Then I would get matched with people who weren't clueless and knew how to play against the killer. Those 3-4ks would quickly drop to 0-2 and all flaws that were in killer's design become obvious.
Her case is pretty simple - she is a bad M1 killer who has teleportation and poor stealth capabilities. Just because survivors now have to carry a tape to a far away TV won't make her any better, her no CD teleport will only promote tunneling of the single person. She is now back to old hit-and-run killer who can't down anyone for the first 2 or 3 minutes because everyone is holding a tape and running near the pallet or solid loop. Good luck playing with her against survivors who don't fool around or do risky quests.
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Are we reading different dev notes?
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Well said, my friend!
I know we don't always agree on what should or shouldn't be brought back to this game, but I appreciate your support for Freddy, that means a lot to me.
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No, i did not meant in general. I meant maybe you are not good with her. Maybe she just does not fit with your play style.
I am bad with Blight but this does not mean he is weak because he is monster.
Anyway, Sadako is not weak. Ofcourse you are free to disagree but this does not change the fact, at least for me.
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No. She is returned back to previous version with 2 addons becoming base-kit, no cd on TP and some changes to Tapes. Her bad chase potential is not addressed, slugging with her is no longer valid option and if she wishes to get anyone condemned she has to run the same dirty addon combination and tunnel the guy asap. She will still get looped around and will have to spend first few minutes forcing pallet drops before she starts putting up some real pressure.
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the current sadako only need hit people once to break tapes. you do not need to commit to bad chases and she has no bad maps. new sadako requires you to fully commit to bad chases. she is going to be really weak which is somewhat sad. flicker buff is not going to do anything. that anti-loop has been dysfunctional vs good players for awhile. Hooking buff is pointless.
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You will still not need to commit to chases. Stacks supposed to put pressure on survivors and give you some slowdown. And if survivors ignore them, you can punish. Sadako will still be played with same way.
Hit, teleport, hit next survivor, teleport again. While keep teleporting, stacks will be build on survivors. And you will get value from them: Slowdown or mori.
And while doing this, some pallets will out your way, so you will get easier chases. That's how i am playing Sadako right now and that's how i will play her after rework. Nothing changed for me.
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More Freddy posts!
I agree with you. Freddy needs to feel like the Nightmare again. Show this poor guy some love, BHVR.
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what slowdown? Did you ever play vs old sadako? I am terribly confused. old sadako is about never grabbing tapes because once you grab a tape, you turn off television which tells sadako which TV you need to go. When holding a tape, a condemn stack is applied every 30 seconds+1 stack for grabbing the tape.
A skilled sadako will intercept the survivor holding the tape. You camp television that survivor needs go to. If survivor tries insert tape, you teleport onto the television interrupting the TV tape insert animation. You play it like Reverse Bear trap Pig that crouches. You proxy-camp and proxy-follow the survivor within 16 meters for passive to tick the survivor until survivor is fully condemned making sure that they are unable deposit the tape. Once fully condemn, you mori them.
There is no game-delay in this version of sadako because Sadako has atrociously bad condemn build-up. Survivor never need to hold tapes and are advised to never hold a tape because once they pick-up a tape, the 30 second build-up curse is easily exploitable by the killer. Instead the biggest challenging is building enough condemn for survivor to bait picking up tape. The easiest way to do this is to down a survivor, next to a television and slug them. This forces other team members to pick-up slugged survivor. If survivor ignore picking downed teammates, their teammate will be bleed out. When a survivor is rescued from the floor, you can teleport to the television to apply 2 stacks of condemn(1 for each survivor). When survivor is pressured enough to pick-up the tape, you abuse the 30 second passive condemn passive to mori the survivor strategy mentioned in paragraph 2.
Hit, teleport, hit next survivor, teleport again. While keep teleporting, stacks will be build on survivors. And you will get value from them: Slowdown or mori.
And while doing this, some pallets will out your way, so you will get easier chases. That's how i am playing Sadako right now and that's how i will play her after rework. Nothing changed for me.
This is how current sadako works. the gameplay is radically for old Sadako.
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But she has a lot more slowdown now. Survivors are incentivized to remove condemned stacks more now that stacks are locked in after being hooked.
She won’t be top tier but in now way will she be trash tier.
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As a big NoES fan, I don't wanna get hopes up or start spreading rumours or anything... but with the strength of recent acquisitions by BHVR, I low key suspect the reason Freddy is off the radar is BHVR are hoping to secure the real Freddy Kruegar...
BHVR isnt a small fledgling game developer anymore like they were when they originally acquired Freddy, they had to take the new version or nothing in their original agreement... but they actually have some real money and clout behind them now...
With all their recent game updates, you can bet they have heard us, and I suspect they have something big cooking for Freddy...
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I wouldn't mind if they got the rights for a Robert Englund cosmetic, but honestly I prefer the remake over the original movies.
My hope is directed entirely to his power. I desperately want him back.
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But holding tape is not giving you stacks, that's not how her power will work tho?
She will teleport and all survivors who are next to active TV will get a stack. So if survivors ignore TVs they will get stacks. And holding tape is coming with risk because you can hold only one. If you hold one, you can't close another gen which means Sadako can use this TV and build stack on you and your teammates.
And you also need to travel map for using tape, this is like old Sadako which is fine slowdown for her. But old Sadako did not force survivors to do this so much but new one will. Because that's how her power will work. Holding tape is pointless and you need to cleanse stacks as fast as you can.
I don't know if you read dev notes tho. She is not 100% old Sadako is coming back. Some of parts from her old kit and some of things from her curremt kit. And even she is getting new feature too, locking stacks when hook a survivor. So if survivor ignored stacks and did not cleanse them, whenever you hook them those stacks will never removed now. So it will be even easiler to get max stacks on this survivor.
How this kit is bad? I just don't see it.
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I really liked old sadako. Nice to have her back with some little buffs. Billy getting buffed and having annoyances removed is nice as for me hes like the fun killer i suck at lol. They mentioned freddy and myers getting a rework but they didnt mention when, and since it wasnt on the roadmap perhaps itl be on the next one.
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But now you are back to the horrible M1 killer who can't chase people and has to eat pallets before she starts getting downs. Meanwhile gens get repaired and then on top of that this new event thing will allow survivors just smash gens asap without any worry.
You get a killer who will either tunnel someone out asap or does hit and runs but never downs anyone until it's too late. Forget getting anyone condemned again - it will only happen to new or careless survivors.
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I looked patch notes today and your right. it is not old sadako. I thought it was going to be old sadako as in 1:1 but it is not the same.
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I hope they buff Freddy this year. I want to see the first iteration of Freddy. I want him to be a stealth killer & make him scary again. I want to feel terrified going against him & a blast to play him.
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Same, friend. Same.
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freddy has to come back.
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