So BHVR nerfed Sadako without any buffs

I will too. Anything for Sadako. She is my one true main.

There's no defending this at all.

I was already hoping she wouldn't receive the Freddy treatment before PTB, was pretty stoked about the changes in the PTB, never saw anyone abuse the power like they suggest because survivors can easily take tapes with NO downside, and they still manage to give her the Freddy treatment.

Heck, that power cooldown fits CURRENT Sadako's global condemned better than PTB Sadako, and we didn't get that???

Exactly! If you’re adding a cooldown that should be applying now! On global! Not her changes in the ptb. Bhvr please. 🙏🏼💕

don’t do this.

And one line later in the update really grinds my gears here:

Then what was the point of the PTB and everyone's feedback, BHVR?

On paper, she sounds worse than old Sadako. It’s honestly really disappointing that they ignored and disregarded all the feedback they ASKED for and got and came left field with these nerfs on an already (below?) average killer.

Yup. Not to mention there’s no passive build up for condemn anymore. We’re worse off than square 1.

I will slug everyone. I don’t care. That’s sadly my best option now. Why force me to use ring drawing? Let’s address the other addons that need the help. We mentioned this over and over

Most of us old Sadako mains (with "us" I'm talking about those of us who complained about the very first Sadako rework, since the latest PTB was pretty much what we all asked for instead so I assume they're talking about our first feedback) were actually incredibly happy with the PTB changes. I truly believe they did a wonderful job and that PTB Sadako was close to what would be the perfect version of the character.

Is she weaker than the current live version? Yes, but the current live version is busted in a mindless, unfun way. A nerf to the current Global Condemn Sadako was to be expected, and it's a good thing.

What was not expected was this latest Ptb-to-live change announcement. They just squandered a perfect remake with completely unnecessary nerfs that make her so much weak I'm puzzled by what even caused them to make these changes.

Some people here are mentioning petitions and the sort, I think that's too much (especially considering they would hold the same weight as forum complaints, they do read the feedback) and I think that, with the latest updates and all, it's easy to see the devs are genuinely putting a lot of effort into giving us the versions of our favorite characters that we want. Again, the latest PTB version gave Sadako everything that we asked for during the first rework's PTB, and that's a sign of listening to feedback and integrating it into the game in a great inventive way. I truly believe these latest changes were made with good will ofc, but they absolutely squander the character's playability sadly. I have faith this will be a Trickster type of situation, where the Ptb-to-live transition made the killer too weak, but with all the feedback they fix those shortcomings 2-3 weeks after the fact.

and over and over again....

This feels worse than old Sadako in a lot of aspects to me.

I'm really sorry, friends. This shouldn't have happened.

Its looking grim....

This IS the Freddy treatment and she didnt even go live.

Im so sorry my friend but my hopes for Freddy and Sadako just got a huge step back.

We need heads thinking fast right now.

Put you suggestions here. I link up community managers now. Maybe they will listen, where the PTB failed.

Its so sad, i even have a badge on my profile that states that my post on PTB got read by the devs.

Suggestions;

Bring back passive condemn for tapes so survivors have something to worry about. It’s too easy for them.

Drop the cooldown to 7 seconds for condemn BUT the TV sadako comes out of you get a stack. (Old Sadako)

Newspaper OR Mirror - Basekit.

Fix the following Addons;

Sea-soaked cloth and Rickety pinwheel. Either merge them into 1 addon OR don’t punish sadako for teleporting to the tv making it useless.

telephone - increase to 8.5 meters. 7 is too short.

distorted photo-Not useful due to a survivor having to witness her to function.

iri videotape-Not useful. Bring back old Iri video tape or don’t turn off condemn since there’s a cooldown now.

clump of hair? Why? She’s invisible in power. Why is she still invisible at the same distance, when she is manifested, as she is de manifested. Clump of hair either needs to be increased or put into her base kit. There’s a lullaby and a visual effect heartbeat anyways.

Im tired of sounding like a broken record. Thank you for listening…maybe… but please. 🙏🏼

I can scream pretty loud. I dont like to do it though.

Maybe a post spamming will help? Helped with DH...

These are healthy suggestions and need to be heard!

Pig is my second main. If they butcher her like Sadako I think I would be done spending or investing in the game. It'd just be a game to play occasionally a few times a year. It is just outrageous and irritating how poorly thought-out some of their decisions are, especially when the community overwhelmingly gives them good advice on how to address such changes which they implement none of. It makes me not want to touch Onryo if they push these changes through.

Agree with you on these 2 points.

• Condemn lock must apply and lock all current condemn, not just locking 2 stacks
• 2 second tape insertion speed is a must. They can keep it at 1 second for grabbing tapes.

The TV spam issue isn't even an issue. After the initial few weeks of learning the changes, in most games survivors will do the proper counterplay and never work a gen by a powered TV. This completely makes teleport spamming nonviable and would only serves to reduce Onryo mobility and future condemn avenues. Onryo should NOT be punished with a mechanic making her weaker if survivors cannot grab a tape from a TV with a while aura before working a gen.

What they really need to do is make is so survivors carrying a tape cannot see the auras of TVs aside from their target drop off TV. This would be an important quality of life change. It would still allow for survivors to do proper counterplay while also allowing Onryo some ability build condemn in chase. It also makes it harder for survivors to just run around the map turning off all her TVs, which they can do very easily right now at low risk with the 1s tape insert speeds and the ability to only lock 2 stacks of condemn.

Listen, I was skeptical of her PTB before that was released to test. And as someone who likes CURRENT Sadako and has gone on length to defend the positives of her while pointing out the negatives and what could have been done, PTB Sadako blew my expectations out of the water. It was the perfect balance of old and current.

This right here, a cooldown on power and a nerf to the condemned hook? It's clear cut handholding for survivors. They can already see TV auras within range, hear the lullaby or see it with the visual heartbeat, and do tapes in front of her in 1 second with no real downside in touching the tapes.

She didn't need adjustments to her kit. What she needed was addon QoL. And when I'm starting to think running Iri Tape because condemned is back to being next to useless as a pressure tool, it makes me want to just swap to Nurse. And I don't exaggerate when I say that because good chances are they won't touch Nurse longer than anyone else.

I think they just lack critical thinking or just have a horrible balancing philosophy.

Anyone who thought about her rework critically in any detail would realize that a survivor with any understanding of her power would just immediately grab a tape from a TV before working a gen (which were highlighted by auras to make it even easier). The counterplay was incredibly easy and on release survivors would have figured it out pretty quick as a result.

Survivors would always just take a tape from a TV before working on a gen or if the TV becomes powered. There is no reason not to, no downsides; survivors can only benefit from this simple action and as a result, on release it would become common place counter.

She was already going to be weak with the PTB version due to how easy the counterplay was, and this is why a lot of the feedback was related to making it less punishing for Onryo when good survivors performed this easy counterplay. At least with the PTB version Onryo could lock in their hard earned condemn though.

These nerfs just completely destroy the balance of power. It is far too easy for survivors to avoid condemn, and far too easy for survivors to remove when they feel like it. At the same time this disproportionately punishes Onryo as they not only don't have any condemn pressure, but they also lose their mobility in key areas as TVs will be turned off.

Furthermore some of the nerfs like the one to address teleport spam are not even needed, as survivors doing the proper counterplay could easily avoid any benefit gained from Onryo with their spam. In fact teleport spam in games against average or skilled survivors would likely only hurt her since survivors would never work gens next to a powered TV, thus teleport spam would reduce her mobility and ability to spread condemn in chase by having more TVs turned off.

Simply put, the game should NOT be balanced for low MMR or new survivors. If survivors can't figure out how to turn off a TV next to a gen with a highlighted aura, so be it. They will have to learn. If we balance the game around the worse survivors, the result is killers being incredibly weak against average and skilled survivors where a lot of the playerbase is. These new additional nerfs were absolutely not needed for the average survivor due to the easy counterplay.

I strongly suggest BHVR go back and reread the Onryo Feedback on the PTB forums. There was a lot of in depth discussion about how these changes would function in standard gameplay and why certain changes needed to be made as a result. To just ignore all that and nerf her even more, especially on a knee jerk reaction to a streamer, is just ridiculous.

And all the things we talked about that where not ok?

Where are the changes that we needed???

Whos reaction???