Slugging for 4k

I'm really not sure why the devs haven't gone back to this issue. Basekit unbreakable fail and they decided to just move on to other things.

absolutely against it. You are talking about time ( or no time ingame ) and playing a computer game. That is so counterproductive

It's annoying, which is why I rarely do it. What are you thinking, though, with "force bleed out?" I don't quite understand the idea. Do you mean a way that a slugged survivor can kill themselves? In that case, the killer would still need credit for the kill, or this could be abused by toxic survivors, particularly sabo squads, given that slugging is a big counterplay to sabo squads. Currently, bleed outs don't count as kills, because BHVR doesn't want to incentivize bleed outs for killer.

I won't claim to understand killers who slug for the 4K, but it is a loophole to get around the hatch game.

I think the grading system might be a large part of it. Killer's get often get all red emblems for a 4K. Contrarily, killers can get a 3K and barely pip at all. It's a screwed up system, so changing how it works might help.

The game should generally emphasize more that a 3K is the killer's goal and is enough to be counted as a win. Too many people still consider a 4K to be their win condition. I pity them, honestly, because getting a 4K often comes down to luck.

But you didn’t earn a 4K. If you didn’t kill the last survivor you didn’t earn a 4K. Hatch exists because this is an assym game and survivors need an incentive to play through the end. Other assym games don’t have a hatch but contain similar mechanics. None of them have it where if you defeat 3/4 of the opposing players you’ve won so the 4th is just served to you on a platter. That sounds silly.

There is a difference between winning in game and winning by domination.

I played against sabo squad, hooks denied. But then I was able to slug all of them. I already win (by dominating) at that point. I dont need to kill them.

hatch escaping is already a win for me (both dominating and in game rule with 3K). I dont get why should I need to make my MMR gained by double. Winning “harder” gives you nothing.

Defending the hook to secure 1 kill is probably the close situation to the hatch (not exact the same by mechanic). But with the right play, its possible for killer to get from 1K to 2-3K. Something that survivors are not able to do. 2 roles are not the same so you cant bring the flip coin of hatch mechanic and apply exact the same to the 4th survivor to flip coin to gate escape.

Im sure other 2 death survivors and the hatch escape one dont complain about the slugging. Its the slugged survivor wasting 4min doing nothing, this does not affect me since I can tab out and draw, along with I hope that 4K gains the killer's MMR to play against an "equal try that hard to win team".

Btw, I checked my 50 matches challenge as Myers, the hatch case happened in 29 matches, but hatch escaping were only 6 of them. So it is not 50/50. Killers have higher speed, and not in hiding so searching for hatch is probably on Killers' favor.

Im up for removing the hatch though. Increase the killrate by over 12% because there is no pity escape means nerf to killers. Can you image all the buff killers got for the last 2 years to only gain kill rate by 8%. Image the nerf they got to drop the kill rate by 12%.

People can feel free to call me petty for crawling away, but I'm still going to do it too. After recovering for BP, it's all a slugged survivor can do. Also, if survivors who crawl away are petty, then what are killers who slug for the 4K? A 3K + Hatch is just as much of a win as a 4K, except that 2 people got a favorable result instead of 1.

Survivors do actually get something for crawling away, because XP for survivors is based on how long they survive, and so is the "Unbreakable" emblem. Besides, the killer usually finds me anyway, and I often find survivors who crawl away as well. Full bleed outs from crawling away are extremely rare in my experience.

Crawling to hide can actually accomplish something, as it makes the killer second guess slugging for the 4K.

I considered adding this in my original post, but I also think that killer adepts should be made 3Ks because 4Ks are often random. Even with slugging for the 4K, the last survivor could still get the Hatch. It would make killer adepts, which are already quite difficult and would remain quite difficult, a little more equitable with survivor adepts, which just require you to get an escape. More people might try for killer adepts if this change was made, including me.

Yeah a miniscule amount of xp means nothing if you were going to bleed out regardless, so I don't think that necessarily counts as something gained. Also Unbreakable emblem has pretty short milestones, with the longest being 9 minutes. Are you going to claim to keep track of exactly how long the match is, and that your time crawling into a bush in a corner puts you just over that threshold?

I do agree about adepts and challenges being reduced to a 3K though. That would fix a lot of problems people have with the slug/hatch issue on both sides.

No, I don't time my matches. I mainly crawl away because it's something to do. I don't really think I'm going to bleed out and rob the killer of a kill or anything. Usually, I crawl to the edge because I hope I could wriggle out and run to the hatch, or I crawl to an area where the hatch could spawn. I have, very rarely, gotten out because I crawled away.

I believe that all of the benefits killers get, MMR, BP, and emblems, should be tuned to favor 3Ks over 4Ks, because they feel healthier and lead to quicker match ends. I've sacrificed most of my potential 4Ks to intentionally carry the last survivor to the hatch because I enjoy having that positive interaction with the survivor player.

I don't think that killers who 4K are toxic or do it maliciously. I just think the strategy is annoying, which is why I avoid it. When I do it, though, I do feel like I'm being kind of annoying because I'm extending the match while all survivors can do is crawl around. The main time where I have slugged for the 4K was to get my 1 killer adept (Xenomorph).

I'm not against slugging as as a strategy, either, but I do expect survivors who get slugged in my games to crawl away.

🤝 not more gates but their spawns definitely could use some fixing. both gates on the same side of arp or suffo is only okay because of hatch.

Adept requires me to kill everyone. So no.

They should address this when they address hiding survivors for 30 mins into a match just locker hopping, but you’re right. Don’t hold your breath.

“What are survivors meant to do when killers are slugging for the 4K”

it’s simple. You bleed out while recovering. If you don’t want that to happen, bring perks that get you up or don’t go down. It would also be a good option to see how you could’ve played things better against that killer.