Adrenaline is being added to the perk watchlist for potential changes (nerfs)

Boy, I sure hope it doesn't get nerfed. I'm tired of the devs nerfing good but not OP perks, which I would definitely classify Adrenaline as. They should rather spend the time and effort buffing/reworking the countless garbage perks that nobody uses and make them actually worth using. That would be a better way to reduce the pick rates of the good perks if that's what they're trying to do.

Remember when BHVR reworked Hangmans Tricland made it a Scourge Hook perk? Yeah, me neither, I had totally forgotten about this, because it was such a grandiose fail of a rework.

It's funny that you mention Pain Res because that perk was even more busted than Adrenaline is and still is superstrong after a so-called nerf which made it stronger in a different set of circumstances.

To your question: Survivors focused on other perks before, so Adrenaline took a backseat. OOO, DS, DH, Spine Chill + Resilience, MFT, whatever else there was. The metagame does not always include the most dominant perks or strategies while the terms are often wrongly used synonymously. Just because it was not changed or complained about to a big degree all this time does not mean it never was overpowered. When the game was more survivor-sided and players were worse, it simply was not as attractive, important or necessary enough to reveal its strength to everyone.

I totally see where you’re coming from but IIRC adrenaline has been an S tier perk by most of the community since it’s existence.

I could easily see the change to it becoming basically a med kit syringe.

You get the speed boost immediately as the final generator is activated, and are healed 15/12/10 seconds after that as long as you don't take damage. This would help you get some distance on the killer to make the 10 seconds (or 8 or 5 or however long they decide on) a viable amount of time while also giving the killer the heads up that you're about to heal.

If you are broken, in the killer's grasp, or on the hook, the heal will not affect you.

These changes will certainly put the perk more in line with the perks that have been released since the first few content patches in strength, I think.

Personally, I don't think the perk is overly powerful as it currently stands, with the only issue being the pause while hooked/in the killer's grasp. How are you getting that shot of adrenaline while you're fighting against the Entity on the hook? It doesn't really make sense to have it activate when you get unhooked to me.

Okay, then its just another SoloQ Problem. Blocking Slugged and Hooked Auras is not a problem on SWF when you can just tell them where you are slugged or hooked.

The best and most powerful part of Ultimate Weapon is knowing where everyone is via screaming.

A Billy/Blight just running around blocking Gens via Dead Man Switch making people scream with Ultimate Weapon, simultaneously detecting where everyone is, is MORE powerful than blocking Auras where simply speaking to a teammate nagates it.

Why?

Then its the part of Hex perks are powerful and risk of being disabled. 2 perks arent even able to compare in the beginning to say one perk has more counter to the other so the other should getting nerfed, the only thing they have in common is only available when 5 Gens done.

The argument is pointless actually, its not like Devs look at my comments and decide not to nerf it.

Oh, yeah I was unclear.

I mean recover a health state and recover from exhaustion.

So the difference is only that instead of a blanket 5s 150% (which is fine but boring to my mind), you basically choose the form of your Adrenaline... be that:

• Sprint Burst for a similar effect as current.
• Lithe for window hoppers.
• Balanced Landing enjoyers are cool.
• Dead Hard if you haven't used it yet, and Adrenaline recovers your Deep Wound, so thats nice.
• Overcome for a mad dash to exit.
• Head On or Smash Hit if you're a nutbar.
• Background Player if you're trying for big saves.

Like to me, this is a slight nerf that:

1. Obviously drops 2s (in most instances).
2. Doesn't necessarily guarantee value if the survivor misplays it and your exhaustion perk has its own counters.
3. Requires more build commitment with an exhaustion perk, and can't just be slapped on any build.
4. Not equal value for all 4 survivors if they all take it (ones not in chase don't get a head start to gate any more than their normal exhaustion perk provides).

However this does buff it in terms of allowingsurvivors to be in direct control of when they use it.

It makes the perk more interesting overall to my mind.

For real, this could be a really fun change. I could see a small 1/5 perk slot sized mini picture in the corner of Adrenaline, showing the exhaustion perk that it's giving a 9ne shot off.

Only a few, Noed, Haunted, Devour. Most are needed a buff (not in strength, but in time buying) but thats another story.

Terminus from wesker does counter half of Adrenaline

You still have the boost but you don't get healed

Because it leads to free-escape scenarios. If the gate's 99'd when you're rescued, and you're fully healthy with a massive speed boost, there's no way you're not escaping.

Other perks (on both sides) get changed to make the endgame more tense by removing that kind of guarantee, it'd make sense for Adrenaline to get the same treatment.

since when is adrenaline free? Last time i check you need to do 5 gens as a team and stay alive

Is it supposed to be an instant-win button?

More importantly, is it a guaranteed escape if it activates when you aren't on the hook/being carried?

If the answer to both of those is 'no', then it makes sense to change that part of the perk.

If those two very low bars are met - the gate is at least close to open and you're on the hook when the last gen pops - yes, you do.

The killer might be able to circumvent it if they have Exposed, but even if they do, you get a massive speed boost on top of being fully healed. That is as close to a guaranteed escape as you can get, and easily comparable to the free escape Decisive Strike gave before it got that removed.

Remember that we're not talking about getting rid of Adrenaline functioning as normal. Most times when Adrenaline pops, you're not on the hook, at least in my experience. It's just that one scenario where the killer's put in a losing position because they hooked someone close to the endgame. You shouldn't get to guarantee an escape the same way the killer shouldn't be able to guarantee a kill, there should be at least some input from both sides.

As to solo queue, fix that, don't keep something broken in the game because of it. Let solo queue teammates see each other's perks.

If the gate is open and you were hooked very close to it, you were gonna lose anyway assuming youre teammates arent dead.

i have had adrenaline active multiple times after i got unhooked because thats just how the game can go sometimes but im not dead yet and we got the gens done so i shouldnt be screwed out of that. The devs already said the ability to see eachothers perks could take years so🤷‍♂️ nah im not trying to see it nerfed when i dont have control over my teammates getting the gen done while im on the hook.

If you want to nerf the speed? Sure i can be open to that idea

What's stopping the killer from simply camping the hook in end-game (which the majority do), hitting the person that tries to unhook, seeing the person off-hook has adrenaline and then simply downing the person who got injured trying to save? It's a trade at the very least the majority of the time. A full team body block is the only scenario I can think of as long as you didn't hook them directly next to an exit gate, which if you did, is on you (the majority of the time, there are definitely certain scenarios where it's necessary due to hook spread and where they went down).

I think I agree with you though that it shouldn't activate when on the hook, but part of me also thinks that killer shouldn't have a guaranteed kill simply because they hooked somebody in end-game. Certain killers can easily turn a single hook in end-game into a 4k due to their power strongly coinciding with face-camping, and there's very few perks I can think of besides adrenaline that prevent these scenarios from happening.

Absolutely. I think this more so boils down to playing altruistically or looking out for yourself though. Are the survivors going to put others over themselves and trade places with the person on the hook or are they just going to take their escape? It doesn't really matter at the end, it's still a kill for the killer unless they specifically had a vendetta against that individual. Most of these scenarios simply end with one person dying, who that one person is doesn't really matter.

Not really?

If those two conditions are met, which isn't very difficult, how on earth would you lose? You'd have to be miles away or facing a very specific killer + perks combo to not be able to get out of the gates while fully healthy and with a speed boost like what Adrenaline gives you.

Adrenaline isn't an instant win button in general, but having Adrenaline held on hook when the gate is 99'd (or close to it) is absolutely as close to a guaranteed win as you can get.

You probably shouldn't be complaining about ultimate weapon if you don't even know what the perk does. There is no haste effect involved with UW.

Secondly, blindness is a useless status effect in high level play anyway.

Thirdly, killers have 4 perks, survivors have 16. It ALWAYS makes sense that killer perks should be stronger than the survivor counterpart to them, simply because there are less perks to go around and by design of the game being a 1v4. The 1 should always be stronger than 1 of the 4.

I can actually answer that, but it is a sad tale.

Originally, Adrenaline did not wake you up when playing against Freddy. This effect was added together with patch 1.8.1, also known as "the Freddy nerf". And yes, that is the nerf which happened a week after his release because some players refused to adapt.

Adrenaline waking you up was just one of his undeserved nerfs from back then.

Yeah, I'm honestly scared Adrenaline will end up being gutted. All they need to do is remove this effect.