Will Windows of Opportunity be nerfed too?

And they wanted to shake the meta up. But I don’t remember seeing as many people complain about BBQ. You could easily avoid it by jumping in a locker, after all.

Honestly if ulti weapon ends up getting nerfed any time soon I would say windows should be to. Both accomplish the same thing for either side, taking away the need for game sense.

Well judging by how many people have argued against it and defended it probably means it needs adjusted in someway. Seeing every pallet and route you can run is a massive bonus. Compare this to being swf with comms and certain perks. Obviously one gives more information but windows shows you pallets or loops you may have been blind to. Kind of breaks the map randomness aspect to be honest if you know where all pallets/windows are in all tiles.

no? tell me when i said anything bad about the players who doesn´t know how to use it, a perk being good or not is a fact, no matter if you like it or not, what is good enough for you then? old MFT?

@MikaelaWantsYourBoon also i´m pretty sure we shuldn´t be talking about the thing we are talking about, so my bad

Just a thought, what if WoO worked a bit like OoO? Every 30s you are shown all objects for 3s, maybe even map wide so that you know exactly where the dead zones are, buts not constantly monitoring all pallets and vaults all the time.

It would require again some game sense to interpret the info and play ahead, but still give enough info to get by. And the dreaded automaton playstyle of "beeline to pallet, predrop, rinse, repeat" would be a lot less aggrevating and viable.

Just a thought that accured to me while killing some time doing my business.

Lets say 1 third of total survivors are good (1 third are mid and 1 third are bad) enough to chain titles without the need of WoO.

Nerfing the perk would not affect the skilled 1 third. But heavy affect the other 2 third survivors. Which mean that would not solve killers' "problem" (losing against skilled 1 third), while the 2 third survivors die alot more often, increasing kill rate and lead to nerfing killer in general.

When BHVR released the most used perks around patch 6.1.0 not so long ago, was WoO in the top ten for survivors? IIRC, it wasn’t. WoO while always a solid perk only became popular because other popular survivor perks were whittled down into nothing.

Believe it or not but there will always be a survivor META. You can’t rid the game of that. And if you just make all survivor perks bad—guess what? People don’t enter futile games with bad perks (what killer mains hope will happen), they just stop playing. Lol. It’s Deathgarden 2.0 (what BHVR wants to avoid).

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Yeah I am not sure why this appears to be a difficult concept to grasp for this forum. It almost feels like forced contrarianism.

Content Creators are not above criticism and definitely not omnipotent, but some of them compete for money so if these perks truly were diamonds in the rough it would be widely known.

This thread is about Windows of Opportunity, the number one most picked perk. Is it therefore the strongest perk in the game? No, that's laughable. It barely does anything at all.

Pickrate does not always correlate with strength. People pick perks based on a number of factors that includes strength, but isn't limited entirely to it. Take Windows again: Why do people run Windows? Because it's nice. It's nice to know for sure you are avoiding deadzones, and it's nice to see what your options are. You can get almost all of this information just from keeping an eye out, and what little you can't get that way can come from stronger perks, but Windows is the most convenient, accessible, and passive of those. That's why it's picked, not because it's strong.

I don't know or care why top tier players don't run these perks. I don't consider them the gold standard models for the only things you should or could ever do in this game, so I don't particularly care to look into it either.

So, why are they so rare? I could be reductive here, and I wouldn't be wrong to do so. I could just say "because people incorrectly think they're bad", and that wouldn't be inaccurate, it'd just be unhelpful.

There are factors that go into it beyond just community perception; for one, some of them are strong in areas people don't care about. For example, Light-Footed is a really good perk for denying the killer info and breaking chases, but breaking chases tends to be less popular than extending chases, in my experience.

Some of them require playstyles or actions people don't want to go out of their way for. An older example, but Overzealous is a good pick to showcase what I mean here; that perk is quite strong when paired with a boon build and a little careful planning, but most players don't want that, they want passive value from things that just function in the background or require very little extra thought from them. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it also doesn't make the perks they discount for this reason bad either.

Some of them, yes, have some randomness to them, but that's often conflated with the above point in my experience. Something like Chemical Trap is crazy good if put on the right pallet, but some players don't like gambling on being in the right position to use it, even if it's not all that uncommon. People have a bad habit of assuming they have no control over a perk's consistency, though, and that's not always true. Some perks you absolutely can make consistent.

Some of them, it must be said, come from survivors with a bad reputation. An older example again, but Overcome is one of the stronger Exhaustion perks and among the strongest perks period... but pretty much everyone clowns on Jonah, so how many people even have this perk to use it, let alone pay attention to it? I'd argue this is what's happening when you see people immediately discount Cut Loose, even though it's basically just Quick & Quiet with one extra step. Tools of Torment and its associated survivors have a bad enough reputation that people just dismiss all the perks, only Background Player gets to escape this because of how absurdly strong it is in areas people actually care about.

Also, they're new, so fewer survivors even have them, let alone have put in any thought to figuring out the best use case for them yet. That is a factor that can't be ignored, how many players HAVE the perk is going to affect how many players bring that perk into their trials. Sometimes they're new, sometimes they're gated behind real money, and sometimes it's both.

And then, finally, yeah, there is a tendency to just discount new perks entirely if they aren't game-breakingly strong. Again, people in this thread and you specifically are discounting Champion of Light, a genuinely strong new perk. I do sincerely believe this is 100% a perception and attitude problem, that stacks with the above points.

Notice that only one of the above points actually runs foul of your breakdown of a strong perk. The perks I'm talking about largely do something worth doing, the situations they do it in are under your control, and their consistency in those situations is under your control too. There are just other factors that lead to people choosing other perks.

like i said before: not being the best one and being bad are different things

artist is not better than nurse, so artist is bad for you guys? 🤷‍♂️

and the a lot of ´´Content creators´´ made videos about those perks

No. Actually I would change it.

Unpopular opinion? I'd actually change Windows to be a base perk at yellow level with Windows increasing the range of the vision so that purple is the same as it is now. Just so people aren't paying a perk tax. I'd also make it so that it no longer sees breakable doors which have no meaning whatsoever to survivors. I play 80% killer so don't go accusing me of being a survivor main :D.

Playing solo no matter how good you are also means you have no idea what has been dropped and what hasn't unless you run windows. Alternatively, the reverse of windows could work as base kit. You know what pallets have been dropped already.

This game has terrible new player onboarding and kill rates are much higher at lower levels then at high. Such a change would help with this immensely. Not to mention it'd stop being a perk tax when playing solo.

At the end of the day pallets should be a stall and using them wisely is a skill players learn as they get better. Simply having windows and running and dropping every pallet you see without playing each tile properly still loses the game.

Realistically if Windows is too big of a problem, it's probably because the map is poorly designed rather then the perk being too strong. Windows simply gives information that should honestly be public knowledge, using that information wisely is the skill. Windows doesn't do that for you.

most likely will be nerfed WoO is pretty much a requirement for how good it is

I highly disagree of this

You nerf and then another perk gets to 30% and is subject of nerf again

The only way out is to actually buff every single perk to the point they can become meta, so the meta variety is infinite

It’s on the road map for the first half of 2024

I didnt see it when I previously looked at it

I take it back, I did some deeper searching with a different search parameter and found it.