Tunneling is overblown

And if the examples I bring up are ``special,'' then the many killer winning streak cases and NO tunnel camp winning streak examples provided on this forum are also ``special.'' In that case, all you have to do is aim for that specialness and play together. And if you can't see that OTR is so helpful and that the player would have escaped unless he dared to act like he was being chased by the killer, then you haven't learned anything from this video. You're overlooking the fact that unless the player refuses, there are many times when the player can escape from being tunneled.

If you say "skilled" is intermediate or above, then most people aren't even intermediate, right? If that's the case, I agree with you. The player in this video is special, but what he's doing is nothing special and is something that any player at intermediate level or above would do. Let's end the story.

That's a very fair assessment so allow me to clarify further the point on tutorials.

I'm not saying you can't ask for a tutorial or even demand one, and a limited one already exists in game that demonstrates the mechanics.

What you are asking for though is survivor mode in customs for the purpose of practice, but custom games don't really exist for practice alone, your intent to use it that way is just one aspect.

So if demanding custom games for the purpose of learning map layout from a survivor perspective then you are likely to wait for it because its not really a priority thing in terms of playing the game.

So here are the tools available to use in the game's current state. I'd recommend trying those in the absence of exactly what was being asked for.

There is no discussion of skill, accessibility options or half the things people wanted to read into the point made which was the fact that what you have to work with is limited. So by all means ask for survivor custom games, but if you want to learn map layout then load into a custom game as killer and walk around the maps freely, that's the option you have.

In terms of wanting greater tutorial options, then games have worked for a long time without that so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

You thought about that really carefully.

Firstly dude check your ego, it has nothing to do with you. If someone comments with a questionable take I may give my take on it.

Secondly, even in light of your clarification my point hasn't changed. Playable tutorials while helpful aren't necessary for a game to be playable.

All the things you say here are true it makes thing easier, its more new player friendly and its ok for things to change I never said it any of these things aren't true or aren't valuable.

As far as I can see you took the single line of dialogue "we used to have no tutorials and got along fine" without really reading any of the preface that lead up to it and then just ran with that as a whole topic.

Tell me are you a read the headline and react person or did you read the whole thing and formulate an opinion?

Because all the points you raise here are fine but none are really relevant to what was being discussed and then you heap on the accessibility options as a weakly associated side note and what we have is a reaction based on the headline and not the content.

In the words or Ricky Gervais "you should have left it" but it turned into a interesting little sideshow and has come full circle so lets not hijack this thread any longer.

To keep it on topic, in response just to the title in this case as I've already previously discussed the topic here, I do believe "tunneling" to be bit overblown.

No worries it's never personal its just discussion. Its a gaming forum its not worth getting personal over.

I'll happily agree tutorials make things easier but how vital it is to the experience is up for debate. There is a disconnect between something being hard and something being miserable. Just because its hard doesn't make it miserable.

There is a tutorial already its mostly still the same as it always been... mostly. How helpful it is eh its got the base mechanics and some tips.

What the poster was asking for was survivor custom mode so they could wander the maps and learn the layout, well you can do that as killer and it isn't that different. Plus if able to load into custom games as survivor then its likely a bot killer is gonna be on your butt the whole game so its not like you have much license to wander around and look anyway.

If 3rd person view is needed (I don't know migraines or motion sickness being a legitimate reason for that I guess) there really isn't an option for you which does kinda suck. There are other options to help with those thigs though FOV slider, screen overlays so its not all on BHVR's head to attenuate that problem.

The ability to load into a custom as just a solo survivor, no killer, no team would be worth while but its not exactly vital to the game and probably a very low priority. So as I always said we work with the tools we have.

Best bet would be find a buddy to load into a custom game with you as killer and then wander the map together and learn the layouts. Bit of simple problem solving to work with the tools we have.

I completely accept that sometimes people don't want solutions they just want to complain. I find complaints work best when they lead to solutions.

As for the OP, the post defines what they see as "acceptable tunneling" and it covers a lot of what people describe as "tunneling". So one could argue that if you can rationalize "tunneling" acceptably and a lot of peoples experience of tunneling falls under that, then the furor surrounding it is largely overblown.

A point that is never mentioned is those killers who used perks (not skill) to boost themselves now expect that this will continue to work. They’re often the loudest, most abrasive voices in these forums and elsewhere. They don’t really want to get better; they want and expect a trump card—in the form of great perks for killers and a lack of good perks, for survivors—to see them through their matches. Like Erupt-Over-Brine.

Played today with 2 less experienced people. They got tunneled out every single round. It was so much fun, they could not wait to press the uninstall button. Both of them.

BHVR, people are sick of tunneling and overpowered killers. I can barley convince anybody to play your game for longer then an hour.

It's not the tunnel's fault but their inexperience. And by taking the initiative and taking on the first chase, a talented survivor will be able to greatly reduce the burden of tunneling for other survivors.