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Three massive win streaks have been broken recently
-A Blight win streak ended at 1947 wins (no escapes after gens completed, maybe no escapes at all? not 100% on the rules)
-A Nurse win streak ended at 1162 (1163?) wins (no escapes after gens completed)
-A European 4-stack's survivor winstreak (3+ escape) ended at 171 wins
Specific names are not mentioned just to be extra careful about the rules, but anyone active in the community who's familiar with content creators will know who is responsible for each of those streaks.
There's maybe a few things worth discussing about this, such as how big some of those numbers are, how interesting it is they all ended within a few days of each other after running for months on end, etc. Would love to see the community's input on those three streaks ending.
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I know the Blight winstreak was ended by a 4man who came prepared. I believe they were stream sniping and readying up at the same time as the killer until they finally got in the lobby. I know the content creator isn't happy about that. I didn't know the Nurse streak had ended though.
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Yeah the nurse player announced it today and said he's gonna do a video analysis on what went wrong and the mistakes he made
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I know stream snipping is breaking the rule.
But a comp team, stacking full meta and strongest item/addon, PLUS stream snipping to make the match tie (at 2K) against comp Blight. Shows there is something wrong with balance.
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Personally, I don't really care for the streaks. Everyone plays dbd for their own reasons. Majority treats it as a casual game and the minority as comp. The only issue that might be a concern is the way ppl treat each other to get that W during the match. But I'm honestly at a point where for me personally I don't care for the outcome. However, I feel for the ppl who are on the receiving end. Especially newer/casual players who are just playing to chill.
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Facts killers hands get held all the time then they come here to complain about losing. Imagine if survivor had a 2k win streak every perk would be disabled lol.
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Obviously the streaks ended because the Entity was Displeased.
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I think the buff on killers are fine (except Huntress).
What make survivors are so against killers' buffs are not the increased strength they get. But the foreseen of killers using that increased strength they got to tunnel easier.
I dont think killers in general should be nerfed, but tunneling should be the main focus now.
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Yeah, he got a crazy impressive result. And ultimately the game still matched them up for a reason. Like, a low MMR 4man sniping would be very very unlikely to ever be matched up with this Blight. He and this comp team were likely in the same SBMM bracket anyway, it was only a matter of time before they crossed paths.
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Clearly some things need to be adjusted for survivors. They shouldn't be breaking these streaks so easily.
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1947 wins.
1162 wins.
171 wins.
One of these doesn't look like the others lmao.
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Just killers being fair and balanced /s
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🤣😂🤣😂 That was a good one
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Crazy how they had to cheat to beat the killer. Maybe if you have to cheat to win something its kind of them cheating before you cheat to begin with.
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A lot of players will argue that for some reason killers who win hundreds or thousands of matches in a row should not be talked about as far as balancing. For some reason the "best" killers incredible win streaks doesn't mean that the game is so ridiculously killer sided. Balance only matters if the game is balanced around your particular skill level, which in most cases is average at best. Most killers want the game so ridiculously easy that any game were they try to win they will. Momo actually was salty about losing (getting a draw) against a crack team that used certain perks. Lol, can you believe that someone that plays like that complain about anything? Momo is the embodiment of the DBD player base, and that's so incredibly pathetic.
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Scott put it the best.
The amount of emotion he felt after loosing that immense win streak caused him to lash out without thinking, he even said he was mistaken later.
He's been on that streak forever now, 99% of people would break down even if they made the mistakes causing them to lose.
Should that win streak be possible? No. But a person with empathy might understand why he had a moment of blind anger.
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a lot of killer players lol.
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I don’t understand how stats like this can exist and still not be enough for people to think that the game isn’t as balanced as it should be.
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To be fair the survivor streak was done with comp restrictions which massively weakens survivor capabilities. To my knowledge this means only one of each item, the whole team can only use the same perk once, certain perk combinations addons and map offerings are banned. Someone can get the exact details if they like but the point is they were rules and restrictions placed upon them.
The Nurse and Blight streaks had no such rules upon them. Still though, it does prove that those killers are basically cheating within the rules. Such streaks just should not be possible in any game. Most games should be designed in such a way that your luck should run out and things should eventually work against you. Or that your chances of making a game losing error is higher.
It absolutely boggles my mind how these two have been so dominant since I started playing and have gotten only baby nerfs and some could argue those weren't even nerfs at all. Also just because two killers that can cheat within the rules can create these streaks does not mean the game is killer sided. It's been said before but the game is sided usually to whichever side is willing to optimize the broken state of this game more. Map offerings alone are hard evidence of that.
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Blight went from a potential 400% increase in power level from add-ons to a max of 150% generously. The nerfs to his add-ons were immense.
*before anyone refers to the thread* I am not defending playing comp on the strongest killers with the strongest loadouts as the strongest players, that's a really mean combo. I am just explaining changes to a killer I know far more about than maybe a few on this forum. I've had too many people argue the nerfs weren't nerfs and then just restate their opinion without backup in their follow up comment.
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Nurse has had her kneecaps broken by BHVR several times. But she floats, so it never impacts her much.
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blight main unhappy about losing a game, sweet music
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Then they need to suffocate her and/or break her blinking arm so she can't blink anymore or needs to do something to earn the right to. No more baby nerfs. Enough is enough. Even perkless and without addons she's significantly stronger then most killers.
I don't know what they do or whether she needs her entire identity destroyed. Regardless I am tired of killer perks being balanced around this broken piece of horrible game design as well as groaning inwardly on survivor whenever she appears. She basically turns the game into a single player farce where you can only lose if you make enough mistakes.
Fair but he's still comfortably second best killer and probably still too strong. I suppose I can understand the relatively conservative nerf. Blight doesn't annoy me anywhere near as much as Nurse does. Hell he doesn't even hit my top 10 most disliked killers as he isn't broken at the fundamental design level. He at least can't basically disregard pallets completely. Some killers can negate them but not outright ignore them like Nurse can.
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Sounds like it's time for some Nurse and Blight buffs. I mean, this proves survivors are OP, clearly?
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Survivor OP.
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Waiting for the "I knew it, survivor can actualy beat the Blight if they are really good" post. 😂
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I mean, Scott also said that the player in question should not complain too much since what he complained about (the Surivvor stacking all the strong stuff to win) was the same what the Blight-player did for almost 2000 games.
You cannot really complain about the Survivors bringing strong Items, a Map Offering and multiple of each Perk while bringing a strong Build in almost 2000 games in a row.
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The killer streaks are absurd and show just how OP these killers are when played in a sweaty way. I say this as a former Nurse main who reached the conclusion she is still broken and always will be without a complete redesign of her power.
I hate win streaks, they are toxic for the game and the overall community and they promote the most unpleasant tactics in the game.
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the issue is simply that if a killer player is good enough at a killer, and wants to win that 1 person will be more coordinated than 4 random survivors. i can win 90% of my matches easily, but theres always that 1 game that comes out of nowhere and i lose.
the problem is the match making could be more strict. i will get players who play very poorly even with maxed out mmr, its not fun for anyone
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Survivor win streak are always going to be lower than killer ones. In a killer win streak, only 1 player has to play perfectly where as 4 need to in a survivor win streak. And the fact that a comp survivor team requires 4 players where as a comp killer is just 1, it is far more likely for someone who is at the very top of the skill ladder to go against a team of their own skill when they play survivor compared to killer.
The survivor win streak could have easily gone higher if it weren’t for the fact they played really poorly against a killer at their skill level who played near perfectly. If they had played slightly better, they probably would’ve won. And I’m pretty sure they also handicapped themselves with tournament rules so they weren’t even playing to their full potential.
As for the killer streaks, yeah a streak that high is insane. The fact Nurse still hasn’t been nerfed harder than a slap on the wrist after all these years is baffling. Freddy has been nerfed harder than her multiple times.
Blight I can’t really judge yet as this streak was pretty much done in its entirety before his recent nerfs and he is in the road map for some changes so it might not possible soon enough. Hopefully these changes actually make a difference and so the devs can see how powerful Nurse can be when all the players who only play Blight because he’s top tier migrate to her.
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No! My precious win streak can never end. I am the very best killer player like no one ever was. You have no right to try and break my streak!
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The funny thing is that the Blight-Nerfs were more impactful than the Nurse-Nerfs, despite
- Blights nerf only affecting Add Ons (at least for now)
- Nurse was nerfed several times while Blight was only nerfed once (at least for now)
The sole reason for this is that Blight has to play DBD, while Nurse does not have to play DBD, she is playing a completely different game.
And while I understand that he is on the Roadmap for further changes, every Nerf to a Killer who is not Nurse is just absurd as long as Nurse gets to keep her broken state. And I hope the Devs will have the courage to change Nurse in a meaningful way at some point, because it is laughable that they only do impactful changes to the Killers who are Number 2 to Number 35 on the list, but not to the undisputed Number 1-Killer.
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Yeah that’s a really good point. She’s been nerfed a lot of times but none of them really hit the reason why she is so powerful.
It feels like they don’t really know what to do with her. All of her changes are pretty much just what content creators kept claiming was her biggest issue. First she needed some cool down, then it was just her range add ons, then her combining with Starstruck. Now that everything else has been touched I hope it’s time they can finally find what her core problem is.
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The thing is, you cannot really balance her when keeping her power as it is. Unless you make it so incredinbly bad that she is the worst Killer in the game.
She would need a complete rework, and while I also think that the Devs dont know how to tackle this, I also think that they fear the backlash. And well, a minor aspect is also that you can always deny any "pay2win"-allegations, because the strongest Killer is available for free in the Main Game.
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I would be more impressed if a streak purely involved comp players. A comp killer playing hard in a public lobby where most people are playing just for fun just feels like Kurt Angle entering a junior school amateur wrestling tornament and going completely psycho.
These streaks I feel are way more detrimental to the game, because the people conducting the streaks play like ######### and probably have pissed a lot of people off. The fact this guy got pissed off because he lost is just desserts.
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Yeah, a Streak of Comp-players against Comp-players would be way more impressive. Sure you would not get such high numbers, but I think if someone has something like a 20 win streak against comp Survivors, this would already be really impressive.
Funnily enough, ScottJund said the same in his video about the topic. That a streak like this in public games is like Michael Jordan winning against some middle school kids.
In the end, my empathy towards the Blight-player is also quite limited. They played super-sweaty for almost 2k games, this is the game ruined for 8k Survivors right from the start. Then they should not get upset when they face a comp-team who does exactly the same to them.
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Yeah unfortunately this is true. The only way to really make her fair is a rework really.
The pay2win thing is also a possibility, but at least with Billy now being a good killer again it might alleviate some of those negotiations if she is nerfed.
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I'd love to hear BHVR's take on this, lol. Probs won't be hearing it but good Lord, that's ridiculous.
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There is no choice. She must be utterly destroyed. The only way I can see her remotely keeping the ability to blink is that if she has to earn it in a similar way to Oni where she can do it once certain conditions are met, then she can't again.
Even this would probably be too strong unless you made the 'earn it' condition ridiculous which would present it's own problems. Oni despite this limitation is still one of the better killers and he still has to play DBD while in his power. Nurse does not. She is playing a single player game called Nurse where everyone else is basically an NPC who lives or dies based on whether the single player makes a mistake with almost no meaningful input on their part.
I think it doesn't matter what you do with it honestly. Blinking through walls, floors and obstacles is probably impossible to balance. However regardless of this difficulty they must do something. Doing nothing to her base kit which is 100% the problem is going to assure she's the number one killer in competent hands which is the only metric that should matter. Even without perks and addons she will still be top 5 easy. Nerfing her addons or whatever does next to nothing to her.
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Wasnt programmed to lose in a video game.
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Imagine being 5% from probably the most insane winsteak benchmark ever (2000 wins) in a video game.
I'm sure they would be less upset if they lost above 2k wins.
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MMR used to be super strict, and I don’t remember any large win streaks happening at that time. In fact, the Nurse win streak streamer couldn’t get large win streaks either, and I think that person pretty much stopped streaming.
In fact, a lot of the killer streamers stopped streaming killers, and either switched to survivor, or just stopped streaming DBD. It didn’t help that some of these streamers had massive queue times, which wasn’t good for streaming content, as they risked losing streamers out of boredom.
Then BHVR purposely made MMR less strict, and purposely made the queue times less. And then the win streaks came back, and the Nurse streamer came back too.
But a lot of killers streamers never came back, or they’re still streaming a lot of survivor content. Many people made it clear, that if they can’t win most of their killer games, that they’d just rather not stream.
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This is a super interesting point. I wonder how much of it is the streamers themselves saying "I'm not having fun if I'm not winning" and how much of it is the viewer base for killer content wanting to only ever see winning games - I would assume it varies greatly based on the community but the breakdown would be interesting
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It’s like that for other games too. In the more competitive games, some of the streamers will either avoid the most competitive game mode, or will use an alt account, so they are playing games that are much easier than their skill level.
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But to be also fair, the survivor streak was 3 out and not 4, which is a massiv difference. If they try 4 outing and running no restriction, they most likely would not even reach anything close to 170. Above 50 would already be alomost impossible to do.
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Bro I spit out my coffee!
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Lets remember that for a killer winstreak you only need one really skilled player playing at their best, whereas for a 4-man SWF winstreak you need 4 really good players to be available to play at the same time, live close enough to each other where ping isn't an issue, and to all be consistantly playing at their best. Obviously killer winstreaks are much more accessable and thus are going to be attempted FAR more often.
Also, the 4-man SWF winstreak had comp rules in place, only brought addonless items which they'd looted in a map, no dupe perks and I don't even think they ever brought map offerings.
Still, it's crazy that they lost the streak to a Trickster of all killers, fair enough one of the best Trickster players in the world, but still, you'd figure it'd have been a god-tier Nurse.
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People seem to be comparing this like a killer vs survivor streak when it’s not and that’s a bit disingenuous. This is a Nurse/Blight vs survivor streak, which is completely different. The streaks would be significantly more comparable if it was the average killer on the roster, not the S++ ones. Nurse and Blight are playing a completely different game. People are trying to use this as a killers in general are too strong from this when that’s not what’s being shown.
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It's okay we'll nerf Wraith or something next
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If anything, that's indicative of balance to me. Comp Blight playing for a win streak gets a draw against comp team playing their most broken loadouts. It's more a failure of matchmaking than anything else in my opinion. Why did it take nearly 2000 games for that Blight to be matched appropriately against survivors at their skill level? I feel like I'd want that happen more than once a year if I were a dev.
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You know I was just thinking about this while watching a certain nurse win streak steamer Sunday. I wondered if the crazy 500+ streaks would be possible if mmr wasn't so lazy or lax.
I mean the streaks are impressive in their own right I guess, but to me unless I know I'm going up every match against the parallel of my skill a win to me wouldn't count. Meaning for me if I'm facing solo q teams with at least 1 person below 2 k hours the win can't be attributed to the streak ( yes I know that you can't always see hours). So since theres no way of definitively telling who your getting each match the streaks would be invalid anyway.
If I'm at the top of mmr you know that <5% of all players and I only vs other people in my bracket every once while then it's totally possible to attain those super high streaks because it might be a seal team comp squad once every 500 or so matches( could be wrong here didn't watch all the streak matches so they could've faced comp squad way more often). I've never given the streaks much credit due to this fact. I see them as more of a click bait thing and community viewer thing.
I wasn't around for the super strict mmr days, and you're the first that I've seen mention it with regard to these streaks as well.
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