Why do the devs want the game to be so easy for killers?

Just because its 50% doesn't mean its balanced when the game is asymm. At least if you mean win rate. See above post for more details.

2K's count but not as a win. So as far as "winrate" goes they are not a win. You can't win half your matches if that half is all draws.

If killer was extremely likely to either lose or get a draw, no one would want to play it. They need wins too.

it's not like most other PvP games where the only outcomes are win/lose where 50% works. Having win/draw/lose throws off the 50% a bit. 2 out of 3 outcomes are not wins for the killer.

My issue with the whole kill rate debate is that we don’t have enough information.

Okay, what do we know? We know for a fact what Bhvr tells us. They say that at “regular mmr” that the escape rate is 40%. And at “high mmr” (above soft cap right?) that the escape rate is closer to 50% for swfs. Was it 45% from these last numbers? I can’t remember.

But that doesn’t paint the whole picture. For every Survivor who has an escape rate of like 20% means that the other 20% is being made up somewhere else, either with people who have higher than a 40% escape rate or distributed amongst people who have a little over 40% escape rate.

The distribution curve below the soft cap probably has Survivors escaping less than 40% of the time at the low end and above 40% at the high end. Once you get over the soft cap the phenomenon probably resets and it happens again. You probably have Survivors just above the soft cap who suddenly escape less than 40% while the best of the best Survivors probably escape more than 40%. It still averages out to around 40%.

It’s impossible to know without more data but from the common complaints it seems like this is what is happening. Killers suddenly having a hard time against Survivors right below the soft cap and Survivors suddenly having a very difficult time out of nowhere once they hit the soft cap.

Just going off of my personal feelings it feels that the lowest mmr survivors create the room for higher mmr survivors to escape more than 40% of the time. This is where these stories of nightmare Survivor teams come from. There are probably a lot more Survivors who escape less than 40% of the time than we think. And again that has to be made up somewhere else.

That’s not even mentioning that mmr will probably throw a low mmr Survivor into a lobby with a higher mmr survivor just to force out a closer to 40% escape rate. Either by giving the low mmr Survivor a better chance of escape than normal and/or by making the match much more difficult for the higher mmr Survivor.

I think that the dirty secret is that low mmr players escape much much less than 40% of the time.

Maybe you're more lenient with the hatch, but generally speaking, if the killer gets 3 kills, the fourth is likely to die too, which is likely why it trends towards 4Ks. Not tunnelling or camping may also indeed trend you towards more moderate outcomes too, but that's just a guess.

Going by the Nightlight statistics, the current winrate (That's 3K+) is roughly 49.5%, versus a kill rate of 56%. If you were to inflate the kill rate, unless its a buff that trends 0Ks towards 1Ks and 3Ks towards 4Ks, you're going to see an increase in winrates. If you want perfect balance, the rate at which 3K+ occurs should be equal to 1 - KR. Stats above indicate a survivor winrate of 44%, which is 5.5 percentage points below that of killers. That is a pretty considerable swing.

With the complicated nature of DBD and the various killers each having their own individual outcome trends (Instadown killers like Hillbilly and Bubba for example have a uniquely low likelihood of scoring 0K due to their ability to camp a down in EGC, something not shared by, for example, Nemesis) it is virtually impossible to really get a lock on good balance. But what we're seeing at the moment is that the game can already be quite killer-sided at killrates between 50 and 60%. Trying to kick the KR up towards 60% is likely to make things less balanced.

Unless it's some utterly meaningless change like ditching the hatch, which wouldn't do killers much good in upping their winrates but would inflate the killrates, thus pissing off everyone. Normally I'd say that's not an option, but BHVR has proven in the past that they are willing to implement a change that's worse for both sides of the fence.

Yeah its pretty new. Hopefully it could give a bit of weight to the pregame lobby showing perks or something similar.

Either split the fourm or, what I would think will be better, give an opportunity to choose which role you as forum member has in the game. Like you can choose from survivor main or killer main. In that way it is better to distinguish these who almost only play killer and these who almost only play survivor to see which part of them come and talk down the most. Also it makes it easier to see which complaints will be made by each party.

I just do see it a lot that these killer mains, I think they are killer mains, every time talk down the real issues because they do want the game pretty easy for themselves. Not even waste a single second thinking about how, when it becomes easier and easier for the killers, it inevitable becomes more and more harder for the survivors. So many things that need to be changed to make it a more fair game, but yet it will always the killers who get the more advantage changes. The changes for survivors are little and to be honest to not even help at all. Since all these "changes" who should help us as surivors already are outplayed by the killers.

Best example is the thing with the adept trophies. Killers do not have to play good anymore, they just need to get full on dirty mode (Slugging, camping and so on) and hook all 4 so they get their trophy. This change was made, because majority complaint how unfair it is that survivors just need to escape with their three perks. And here again it was unlogic. Because as a survivor you sure has to escape, but till you CAN escape it is pretty hard, since you have 3 perks only which you maybe not even can use any efficent. Need to make 5 gens and open the gates WHICH ALL are seen by the killer. Sure the killer also has only his three perks in, yet he can decide of play it still fair for the survivors or just go full on dirty to make it an easy trophy. Meanwhile the survivor still need to do all 5 gens no matter if he decide to play "fair" or "unfair" since a survivor do not really have any possibilites to play unfair at all, since no survivor can do a gen faster than the gen can be made. It is not like he can just open the gate and run out at 5 gens already, like the killer can go all out dirty and slug everyone in the first 3-5 minutes. Since the change killers do not earn their trophy anymore they just get it for free, because they are not in need to really play the game "like it should be" means hunt properly do not use dirty game styles (Tunneling, camping, slugging, proxy etc.) just play as the game intended it. The most common argument is that these stuff are game mechanics. And yea they maybe are, but yet they are only game mechancis because if they would be blocked the whole game would not work anymore. These so called "game mechanics" are not intended as killer playstyle, they are possible, but not intended to been used on purpose. Everyone who say it is a game mechanic so the game want me to play like that is wrong. I as a survivor also could just run and hide all the time it also is a game mechanic, yet it is not what you as survivor should do.

For short only because you CAN means not that you HAVE to! The killers should think about it. Every killer who use these playstyles DECIDE to play like that, because they are not good without that and do not want to try become better at all. Yet they still come out and complain that this game still is to hard for them. So maybe the next change to calm their souls is that the match starts with all four survivors on the hooks maybe? Since killers want it so easy that they do not even need to do anything anymore and get still like 40k bp out of this match.

A 58.5% avg is not way underperforming BHVR has not posted anything since so...?

They don't there are other reasons survivor feels bad

Prove it.

Because I still sit in long queues just to have one of my teammates or myself tunneled out.

Ok, that made me laugh 😂

I watched the video Ryuhi shared. Not sure if that is the experiment you’re referencing. Near the end, Otzdarva mentions issues he saw while playing survivor but he didn’t actually advocate for improvements to the survivor role. He just mentioned specific issues, and even hinted that these ‘issues’ may be what keeps the 60/40 split that he says the devs want (but when the devs wanted a 50/50 split last year he still complained about how miserable playing killer felt). In any case, his killer videos are much more in-depth and in them he tends to propose good changes.

Killer mains do more to convince me in threads like this that there is a massive balance problem in this game than survivors.

Look at the standard: 20 4ks in a row - the fact that this is even an expectation by certain players shows the problems. Like if you took the challenge and only got 15 4ks that would somehow prove killers were actually balanced?

this is what always makes me laugh, this is by far a stretch in any competitive game, the fact content creators go on 50+ win streaks is absoloutley absurd, and it has never been addressed as to why it happens.

Ignoring the issues with Nightlight does it at least consider matches with DCs? I know BHVR does not but since these often end in the deaths of those remaining survivors I’d love to know what the true kill and win rates are.

I play both roles equally. Killer is undeniably easy. It's the easiest role in DBD, above 4-men SWF even. It's just a naturally less "chill" role than surv because you're alone and in constant pressure so you need to know what you're doing to the bare minimum, which often isn't the case (no offense).

EU players aren't gods at the game they pretend to be they just run the strongest everything more