Lightborn is Mandatory

Sounds like skill issue flash bag save still take skill to use their is legita 4 second window for saves witch mean the person doing the saving it right around. The courier background player don5 help that much u all just want it nerfed to death COUNTER slugg the misses u just downed for a second and down the saver then pick the other guy up easy counter most likely their only 1 their because they never get out of the game and their only so many flashbacks that can be made if you don't kick the gen oh look another counter their seems like u all just crying because these saves take skill and is basically the equivalent to killer tunneling off hook killer get to tunnel off hook they going g to tunnel flash saves their is plenty of counter just seem none want to do it

Lightborn is far from mandatory. If you want to use it to avoid Saves, sure, but this does not mean it is mandatory.

i don't mind background player being used for pallets/flashlight saves. However when paired with flashbang it just becomes an uncounterable BS. There is no real counter other then slugging which is poor design. They need to do something about background and flashbang specifically instead of just outright nerfing background player. Bot sure what the solution could be .

The whole point of flashbang is to counter the previously uncounterable "shove your face into the wall" tech. It is absolutely healthy for the game, as it requires a survivor to put 45 charges into a generator, or 45 seconds they MUST be doing gens solo (co-op progress messes with the charge per second rate).

If a killer cannot win chases and get downs within 45 seconds, especially with the plethora of perks now available to them that block gens (corrupt, grim embrace, dead man's switch, etc.), not even mentioning killer abilities and chase perks, that is a skill issue, and crying about flashbangs isn't going to get them anywhere. "Well flashbangs aren't the problem, background player is!!" Like other people have posted, if you're allowing a background player to stun you, you didn't do your due diligence as killer and check the immediate area, as there is only a 1 second window for them to get the flashbang to work. It is extremely easy to counter.

I've said multiple times that lightborn is an unhealthy perk for the game. A perk should not be allowed to fully counter an aspect of the game. Even distortion has its limits, with its charges being fairly limited and will run out if a killer runs 2 aura read perks (lethal + bbq, lethal + gearhead, etc).

And before any killer mains want to lie to me, Calm Spirit does not counter Ultimate Weapon the same way Lightborn counters flashlights. Calm spirit nerfs totem cleansing speed, and the blindness (which is very effective, despite what killers want you to believe) still applies to the survivor. Lightborn actually goes above and beyond and reveals the survivors aura to the killer for multiple seconds. They are not the same.

Am I horrible for preferring to use Franklins’ Demise?

I had to do a word search to see if anyone else said 'reflective wall' because I have no idea if you're being sarcastic or not. 😅

not being able to stealth for 5 seconds and losing a hook stage are completely different situations

I do play enough killer.

For a flash grenade to achieve a save, it must be thrown between 1 and 1.5 seconds after the killer's pickup animation begins. Background player gives a survivor 100% haste, meaning 8 m/s. 1.5 seconds max would mean a survivor can successfully save from 12 meters away at most. If a killer can't do a quick 12 meter radius check around them if they anticipate background player in play, that's on the killer, and they don't deserve the hook for not doing their due diligence.

and if the killer does a patrol to look for the hiding survivor the downed survivor crawls to a pallet making it a lose lose situation for killer. what do u think about that?

This topic was specifically about flashbang and background player without pallets in play. I will admit being able to run 24 meters as survivor and still get a pallet save is strong, but it is an exhaustion perk for a reason. Also the situation you describe about lose lose really isn't, survivors can only crawl so far, and it only takes 5 or 6 seconds max to check the range I described.

Since lightborn exists, this thread seems pointless? Lightborn exists to counter your issue. Anti-tunneling perks exist to counter my issue. It's what everyone tells everyone every time.

12 meter radiou

If those numbers are correct, Flashbang save can be countered not only via Lighborn, but also Infectious Fright:

Or Fire Up, that can mess with pickup times

But it would make some killers remove one of the 4 gen regression perks, and that is unimaginable price :)

This isn't pallet or flashlight save though

Been a while since I've heard from the Cult of Lightborn. How y'all doing?

I NEVER run 4 slowdown perks, but usually random perks. Am I allowed to think BP and FB is busted then?

I never run more than 2 slowdowns and I wish I didn't have to run any as I think slowing gens is a very boring way to have to play.

I am a survivor main but I found out the hard way just how broken BGP is when combined with flashlights and flashbangs. If a survivor goes down near a wall you may get away with picking them up as flashbang timings are a bit harder than flashlights.

But if they go down away from a wall you can plant your face in, other than Lightborn there is literally no counter to BGP and it doesn't matter how good of a killer you are. Anyone claiming otherwise probably never plays killer

You were the one pretty much saying a killer may not complain about BGP+FB when they run 4 slowdown.

Pointing out a double-standard is not the same as what you're suggesting I was doing.