Lightborn is Mandatory

Lightborn is far from mandatory. If you want to use it to avoid Saves, sure, but this does not mean it is mandatory.

i don't mind background player being used for pallets/flashlight saves. However when paired with flashbang it just becomes an uncounterable BS. There is no real counter other then slugging which is poor design. They need to do something about background and flashbang specifically instead of just outright nerfing background player. Bot sure what the solution could be .

The whole point of flashbang is to counter the previously uncounterable "shove your face into the wall" tech. It is absolutely healthy for the game, as it requires a survivor to put 45 charges into a generator, or 45 seconds they MUST be doing gens solo (co-op progress messes with the charge per second rate).

If a killer cannot win chases and get downs within 45 seconds, especially with the plethora of perks now available to them that block gens (corrupt, grim embrace, dead man's switch, etc.), not even mentioning killer abilities and chase perks, that is a skill issue, and crying about flashbangs isn't going to get them anywhere. "Well flashbangs aren't the problem, background player is!!" Like other people have posted, if you're allowing a background player to stun you, you didn't do your due diligence as killer and check the immediate area, as there is only a 1 second window for them to get the flashbang to work. It is extremely easy to counter.

I've said multiple times that lightborn is an unhealthy perk for the game. A perk should not be allowed to fully counter an aspect of the game. Even distortion has its limits, with its charges being fairly limited and will run out if a killer runs 2 aura read perks (lethal + bbq, lethal + gearhead, etc).

And before any killer mains want to lie to me, Calm Spirit does not counter Ultimate Weapon the same way Lightborn counters flashlights. Calm spirit nerfs totem cleansing speed, and the blindness (which is very effective, despite what killers want you to believe) still applies to the survivor. Lightborn actually goes above and beyond and reveals the survivors aura to the killer for multiple seconds. They are not the same.

Am I horrible for preferring to use Franklins’ Demise?

I had to do a word search to see if anyone else said 'reflective wall' because I have no idea if you're being sarcastic or not. 😅

not being able to stealth for 5 seconds and losing a hook stage are completely different situations

I do play enough killer.

For a flash grenade to achieve a save, it must be thrown between 1 and 1.5 seconds after the killer's pickup animation begins. Background player gives a survivor 100% haste, meaning 8 m/s. 1.5 seconds max would mean a survivor can successfully save from 12 meters away at most. If a killer can't do a quick 12 meter radius check around them if they anticipate background player in play, that's on the killer, and they don't deserve the hook for not doing their due diligence.

and if the killer does a patrol to look for the hiding survivor the downed survivor crawls to a pallet making it a lose lose situation for killer. what do u think about that?

This topic was specifically about flashbang and background player without pallets in play. I will admit being able to run 24 meters as survivor and still get a pallet save is strong, but it is an exhaustion perk for a reason. Also the situation you describe about lose lose really isn't, survivors can only crawl so far, and it only takes 5 or 6 seconds max to check the range I described.

Not at all. We welcome believer of our more aggressive sister religion. 🔨

Yeah it is absolutely hilarious how hard mediocre killers think it is to pick a survivor up. Even without these perks, simply chasing someone for 10 seconds to hit them is more than enough to ward off some background player plays. Those perks you mentioned would help indeed, but even without them, it takes the most miniscule amount of game sense to figure out how to play around background player.

Also the killer entitlement is beyond horrendous. "Well I worked so hard to get this down and hook, I should get it for free since it's my main objective!!!" Meanwhile running 4 of: Pain Res (22.5 seconds of a generator gone), surge (9 seconds of a generator gone), grim embrace (12 seconds of survivor main objective progression blocked), deadlock (30 seconds of the generator most likely to progress the game blocked), corrupt intervention (2 minutes of the map essentially forcing a 3 gen on the side opposite of the killer spawn).

That is why I can't take any killer mains seriously when they start to complain about pallet/flashlight saves, since it's the same thing. It wouldn't be an issue if I didn't have to repair 6-7 gens a game with the amount of free regression the killer gets by just doing what they're supposed to, and sometimes failing to do so (deadlock, corrupt).

"pallet/blind" 😊

Honestly I was so wrong about this but recently I have been trying to play fun killers like Bubba just to break up the frustration of solo queue and try to have fun matches.

However I have been absolutely plagued by Background Player with Flashbangs and Flashights in general and it is making for incredibly unfun matches. I just DC'd from my last game where I played totally nice as Bubba with zero gen regression, as I simply could not pick up anyone because they were all running BGP

I don't know what BHVR was thinking with BGP but yeah, sadly Lightborn has become mandatory which is absolutely absurd.

You're allowed to think whatever you'd like. However, if you're ignoring evidence that would conflict with what you previously thought was true, that isn't doing anyone any favors. The whole point of a discussion is to discuss.

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<sad Nurse noises>

It used to be one of my four go-to perks. Not anymore on Nurse 🤧

I feel like all of this stems from background player just being an extremely unhealthy perk design wise