What is my incentive to stay in a game with a hook camper or tunneler?

I really hope this mentality will cease to exist. The developers are not "insert role" - sided. Both sides get nerfed and buffed.

If someone solely plays one role, their mindset can become very focused on the well being of this one role alone, antagonizing the other role in the process.

Buffs and nerfs in this game are weird. They mostly don't come in slight or well thought out patches but with a sledge hammer, deleting the problem in an instant. Look at ultimate weapon or overcharge. Both of these perks are / will vanish from load outs due to the nerfs being too severe. Healing also got the sledge hammer until the community called out the devs for this decision. Similarly to how they wanted to erase 40s off the Pigs timer.

It goes both ways, buffs are also sometimes horrendous. Look at twins for example. How did they not see, that these changes would create an unbeatable chasing monster? One can't be that oblivious. How did mft and eruption remain in the states they had been for that long???

The game favour's no side except the one that brings the stronger stuff.

The devs favour no side.

im just saying if you dont like the game dont play it which you seem to have not figured out :P

To help other survivors win, that is

If someone is already dead via tunneling or camping, they're gonna leave as well. Nobody wants to waste time anymore.

Also, that's still a moral obligation, which I pointed out. That's not really an incentive.

Yup, different games.

Edit - This is post 69....nice!

Tbh, I'm stealing it.

Why are you talking about that when the OP is asking what incentive there is to stay in a game where the Killer is tunneling or camping?

I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for hug tech. A bug like that isn’t as simple as fixing a line of code. It would require completely reworking how his entire collision system works (along with some possible map collision changes). Yes it should have come earlier but I can understand why it wasn’t an immediate fix.

Along with that, delayed fixes like that aren’t exclusive to the survivor side. It took 6 years for them to nerf Dead Hard. It took years to nerf OoO because they refused to admit it was broken. They admitted they had a back up plan for MFT if it become problematic yet it still took months to address it.

“Killer perk nerfs are irrelevant because you aren’t facing the same perks every game”

This logic makes no sense and just completely invalidates everything you said. You don’t face the same killers every game so nerfing them is irrelevant. You don’t face the same survivor perks every game so their nerfs were irrelevant. You don’t face the same perks so their buffs are irrelevant. Ultimate Weapon was the talk of these forums for months and nerfing it shows they listened. Completely disregarding that just to fit your narrative is completely misleading.

If by base kit nerfs you want the killer role as a whole nerfed, then that’s not a good idea. Nerfing the entire killer role would just make killers like Trapper and Freddy weaker while not affecting high tier killers like Nurse as much. Survivors get base kit nerfs more because there is only one “character” in it, so you can’t just nerf them individually like killers.

”Survivor perks like Dead Hard and MFT are trashed”

Dead Hard nerf was over a year ago. How does bringing up the HUD here make no sense but Dead Hard does? Besides, Dead Hard isn’t “trashed”, it’s still a good perk it’s just not broken. You even said that perk nerfs are irrelevant so I don’t understand how you can disregard UW nerfs but use Dead Hard as an example of them not listening. (I do agree MFT is trash though. It should have received the effect Buckle Up has and then give Buckle Up something else). We shouldn’t be replacing Dead Hard and MFT. They were nerfed because they were overpowered and unhealthy. No perk should ever be close to that level.

I agree that killers benefitted from anti 3 gen, but they still listened and made it harder to do. They didn’t want to remove it, it still needs to exist to some extent, they just wanted to remove the hard core 3 gens which they have for the most part. I agree they could still do more, but it showing that they listen.

Skull Merchant was absolutely because of the survivor perspective. Killers might have agreed she sucked, but that was that she sucked from a survivor perspective. The killers didn’t have any issue playing against her because they can’t unless they are a survivor. She was reworked to be better for survivors.

I agree that they need to implement changes faster and that there is still a lot to address, but to say they aren’t listening is just a lie. There are issues on both sides that need to be addressed, and there are issues on both sides that just get a half-assed fix. They don’t treat one side better than the other, they aren’t ignoring survivors and gigabuffing killers because they hate them and want to kill the game. Stop with this mentality that they are ignoring survivors when they aren’t.

Rather than argue about which side gets more love, we should just work together to get them to implement changes faster for BOTH sides. Going the Us vs Them route just makes it more difficult.

There is none. If you are not enjoying a game, or do not find it fun to play against sweaty tactics from the killer, there is zero reason for you to stay in a match when you can attempt and let go on hook then go next. There are disincentives, like "think of the teammates" and "you're giving the killer what they want", but ultimately it is YOUR free time playing this game and you choose how to use it.

That said, regarding the camping and tunneling debate. A lot of clueless people in here thinking an incentive (reward) to not tunnel and camp will make things better. This has been tried and didn't work (see: gen kick meta where killers still tunneled, tunneling with reworked Pain Res and Grim Embrace), and will not work.

Let's keep it simple: hard camping/tunneling with good game sense is the fastest and easiest way to win games, and it will ALWAYS be used so long as it is effective and easy. Even if you provide an incentive/buff better than tunneling/camping to not do these things, which would break the balance of the game, killers would still tunnel and camp as long as it is easy. So in order to stop camping and tunneling, you would need an incentive that is both more effective and easier as a strategy. At that point, killer would be so easy to play, that survivors would never win. So in order for anything to change, a punishment or disincentive to tunnel and camp needs to be implemented.

After that, buffs can and probably should happen since without tunneling and camping a lot of games become much harder to win. But anyone who seriously thinks the solution starts with an incentive is kidding themselves.

It doesn't really matter in that scenario though?

If they don't have UB, there's nothing they can do if they're downed. If they DC, then there's a bot, so their team is fine if they somehow recover. If they kill themselves on hook, well, the Killer isn't gonna hook without having all four downed, so the game is over.

Three people downed is, generally, unrecoverable.

This doesn't change the argument though, this just makes the problem way bigger.

In either case, it seems the main advice is to not make a play. Leave them on hook. This is bad gameplay for both the rescuer, and the hooked person. So if survivors are expected to just give up on their gameplay, what reason do they have to play the game?

Correct, the thing I'm doing is probably much worse, according to the feedback I receive. (End game chat is not that nice...)

I'd be curious, what the Singularity was running, but probably not a slugging build, otherwise they would not have hooked in the first place.

Gonna try third seal next few rounds of the experiment.

You said "boons needed nerfing." You didn't supply a time frame for this, nor did you say which boons. Circle of healing is the only boon that has ever been strong enough to even be considered of receiving a nerf, and it was nerfed 3 months after its release, and nerfed again a few months after that. That was almost 2 and a half years ago, which is ancient history for this game. I wouldn't generalize "boons" being OP when it was realistically only one boon that was OP and was patched extremely quickly. Boons are rarely seen nowadays because unless you're dedicating at least two survivor builds around them, they require too much random chance to be effective for very little in return.

The customer base is mostly survivor players that's correct, I never claimed otherwise, but that doesn't prevent killers from being the loudest voices on the forums. You didn't read what I said either. Even when a single survivor shares an opinion on the forums, at least 10 killers come to tell them how wrong they are.

DbD is killer sided in every skill level besides the highest MMR with a swf in play. Killers can make 10 times more mistakes and still win, and survivors need to have a massive amount of game sense to even get their chances of survival to 40%. If they truly were targeting the majority of players (survivors), killer would have a max kill rate of 50%.That's not the case. They want killers pushing 3 kills a match with 60%, and that is a fact.

Your hours essentially mean nothing because I cannot deduce your skill from that, if that's what you were trying to do. Hours can really only show how long you've been playing. People can have 10k hours in league of legends and still be stuck in bronze 4. Using those hours effectively is what makes a good player. Anyone can achieve 4k hours, but not everyone wants to put in the effort to improve. I'm not saying that to discredit you, just that saying "I have X hours" without any context doesn't help illustrate your skill level.

The question of the topic is quite literally "What is my incentive to stay in a game with a hook camper or tunneler?"

And again, I agree with you, I was just pointing out how it doesn't exactly relate to OP's question.