If you think reshade doesn't give you an advantage....

And what would that change if it gave you an advantage? It is white listed to use just like Nvidia or AMD filters or using the options the monitor gives you...

Sidenote, but I really do not like Tru3's experiment.

If Tru3 was really trying to test the difference it makes, ideally they would need a Control Group. The same Killer/Survivors, on the same map, with the same perks and everything, since it reduces variables that could affect the result. The issue is that Tru3 wants to do experiments that I do think are interesting to watch but ultimately fail to apply any form of scientific process or method to reduce outside influences from affecting the results.

He only went back on this… like a week or so after starting this whole thing? After being called out for his experiment not really removing outside influences and not using a Control Group, and only after going on an entire rant on Twitter about how they were being unfairly cancelled when nobody was cancelling them. I think Tru3 DOES have some good points but he does not do a good job to really support them or put people in a position where they feel inclined to support him.

And dont get me wrong, I do think filters provide an advantage, I use them to help with my colorblindness so they gotta be doing something, but overall it relies on if BHVR thinks they should/shouldnt be used, and we have basically heard little to nothing from their end.

(AS POINTED OUT BY OTHERS: BHVR has to opt into Nvidia Filters being provided for their game so BHVR currently supports filters to some capacity. Im editing this to help prevent misinformation from being spread.)

Meh doesn’t really matter

FWIW on that last point Nvidia Freestyle (filters) is a whitelist only, opt-in program. It doesn't work in games that a developer doesn't want it to work in. The fact that it works in DBD is implicitly saying it's okay.

The comparison he gives is comparing apples to oranges. - Does nightvision give you an advantage when you can see something but the other can't? Yes. Does even the reddest of red filters he uses there compare to that? No. You can actually see very nicely that there's a hard fall off where it's being more red, so you don't actually see more - or better. (Vanilla has a more gradient falloff so you can actually see more of the red stain - but it's fainter.)

Though, the most important thing that makes me think that filters are more about personal preference and countering some personal isssues, be that colourblindness or cognitive stuff*(see below) or something else, is that some of the best surv players don't use filters. Are they just that much better, that despite not having filters, i.e. even at a disadvantage, they're still better? Or is it that seeing that kind of information more clearly is, at the end of the day, not the deciding factor? I'm more inclined toward the latter.

*(For a while I ran a pretty much Black and white filter with only red and that certain kind of yellow the WoO auras have because I literally couldn't see stuff; people told me "take that window" and I was "WHAT WINDOW?!!" because with all the visual clutter I just couldn't see it. By now I kinda know the tiles, so I know where a window should be without seeing it, so I'm good but back then that filter was a life saver. - Ugly af, but kinda necessary.)

Thank you for pointing this out, I was not aware, my apologies for any misinformation, I have edited the reply to correct this. 👍️

Sure, but both should be visible if the game was working properly xD But sometimes they appear on some random wall and go way too far into a room despite the survivor going there in what not... People using filters is only a result of DBD s poor optimization and lacking of I game options for brightness and what not.

It is kind of silly to blame the players of a certain Plattform for being able to customize settings outside of the game instead of blaming the game and it's creators for not offering those setting in the game to begin with.

Yeah, you can see the red stain better with filters but don’t forget you still need game sense 😃

I laughed out loud as soon as I saw it.

We're still arguing about this? All these filters do is cause headaches, and strain eyes.

Honestly, the difference between Low and Ultra Graphics is probably more of an advantage than this, and it doesn't make your game look like complete ass.

While a control group would normally and for many things make sense, it does not for this. There's no reason to. The test is for visuals, perks or survivors specifically is on the verge of entirely irrelevant. This isn't testing skill or power level, it's literally just how the screen looks. The closest you're gonna get to any difference would be map and even then the result is very similar. If you still disagree, please provide examples of perks or how different survivors could in any way affect this result. I feel like this is all reaching very hard to find an issue with it. He also has all his vods as well as our own visual experience of those same maps already to compare them to.

I mean does it really matter THAT much? Most if not all people don't use filters like these except comp players which already are very scarce. End of story: Reshade is white listed because you cannot physically block out all filters and removing reshae from the white list will just cause people to find other ways that aren't detectable by EAC. Better yet my monitor itself has different filter settings that allows me to change saturation, contrast, brightness and color temp. It might not be the full customization but its still something.

"Quantifying how much of an advantage it brings to the table is
important, so you need a Control Group and limited Variables to compare
between, otherwise it creates room for misinformation, bias, or results
that are altered by Variables not accounted for. "

No one's disagreeing with this as a concept. It just doesn't apply to this scenario.

"Who are we to say that filters provided a player a given advantage in a
scenario when the Killers in Group A was worse than the Killer in Group
B. Likewise, what if the Survivor was worse than the Killer in Group A,
the Survivor in Group B would suddenly look better regardless if filters
are being used."

Because their skill is irrelevent for what is being tested. What is being tested is not how well you can use the advantage based on your skill, it's for measuring "does the red stain reach 2 meters further".

"Likewise, it creates great probability for error to exist. In science,
things are not determined by if they are right or wrong, but moreso for
the margin of error. To put it bluntly, science and experiments do not
deal with "absolutes" but moreso "the least amount of error possible."
If experiments in DBD are not held to such scrutiny, it can easily lead
to misinformation being spread around, which is something we, as a
community, should not stand for."

Yes, we all know this, but this has nothing to do with my point. I think you are conflating two things as similar when they're not. Those two things being the objective value it provides and the subjective value it provides based on skill.

We can see this illustrated by the fact that when I asked for examples you gave none. You just listed off why control groups are important, which is obvious. The question is not why control groups are important and matter, the question is for you to provide an example of why in this specific scenario a control group is needed. Provide me a perk, a survivors skill, or a map that would hypothetically mess up his experiment with them being different.

As I already mentioned, when he's measuring how far the red stain shows between filter and no filter, the map, skill, or perks being ran provide zero difference on the objective advantage provided. This is my example as to why this is an exception to where your control group is not needed. Please provide a hypothetical example as to why I'm wrong.

I think that you are wanting a control group to control for factors that don't actually need to be controlled because those factors actually have zero influence over what is being measured.

Yes it will give an advantage even if it is slight, however they got rid of the bigger problem on PC which was always stretched res

Gladly you are not a Dev because that is a horrible idea... Not only is it questionable to try to ban people for using filters provided by the graphics cards it also puts such things on the same level as cheats which is bonkers... That's something not even remotely comparable...

You realize what I am talking about is not just what is displayed in the video. I am talking about the entirety of Tru3's "experiment" stream, which has far more than what this video is showing. Im sure you can find the VOD if you want, since it is on his Twitch.

The entire stream was not just about "rather they provide an advantage or not", the stream was about "how much of an advantage it provides," which is WHY my points are important and should not be ignored; this one video was just a small part of the entire stream, since Tru3 uploads small clips or matches instead of his entire stream onto YouTube, thus they are not entirely representative of all the points Tru3 is trying to make since not all of it is actually there.

Reshade yes, but filters provided by the graphics card company is something different I guess... I would not think it to be too far fetched to assume that if you block those programs then this might give problems to the game running on that graphics card so I would not be too sure about that... Besides that it is also something that can be reached by the hardware settings on your monitor... So we going to ban specific monitors as well? ^^

Interesting... I would have assumed that those programs are basically a given... Because for example my AMD drivers have the whole pack installed basekit so if I want to update the drivers the "filter" package is already a given I cannot have the drivers without the options of filters... I can just decide to not use them. So not allowing to have them installed in my case would be equal to not allowing me to have drivers for my graphics card.

They said lowering the graphics wouldn't do anything or something. The game is throttled by the CPU on consoles but more than enough opimised for the GPU.