Why won't BHVR let Killers see how many survivors are in a SWF in the lobby?

Lobby dodging should be highly discouraged. It messes with matchmaking and also artificially increases queue times. SWFs have as much of a right to play this game as everyone else. Also just because someone plays in a SWF that doesn't mean they suddenly turn into a professional basement dweller.

Chances are you play against more SWFs than you think and mostly don't notice any difference. But SWFs have a pretty bad reputation because many killer players find it easier to cope when claiming everyone they lose to clearly plays in a SWF.

"Of course I know what SWF mains will say: "If you did that, no Killer would every play against a SWF!".

You just answered your own question.

Show who got invited AFTER the match instead. Should be easy to do with a symbol in the endscreen lobby as BHVR already claimed to have SWFs stats. I think many killers would be suprised when it's a 2 man SWFs or just 4 good solos. Also i would love to see icons for each plattform post game, like in other online crossplay games.

Sounds like a good idea, until you realise you'd never get a game.

This was before Billy was buffed, so you can bet that isn't the same value anymore.

Why can't survivors see what killer they'll be facing in the lobby screen?

I ask as a rhetorical and the prove that both should never be a thing and both would increase lobby dodging.

And I have a right to know the survivors have an advantage that I cannot counter, voice comms, and a right to decide if I want to play against people with an unfair advantage.

As far as the devs are concerned, you don't. It's completely irrelevant. Also, the rules decide what is and isn't unfair. Playing in a SWF is not against the rules, which means it's not unfair. Even with voice comms.

I find it so interesting that some players always seem to know exactly that their opponents are playing in a SWF with voice comms. Do you have some sort of nasa technology, that tells you who is and isn't part of a SWF? Most SWFs are really not any different to play against than solo survivors, so it's pretty hard to tell. You can assume, sure, but that doesn't mean you're right.

The interesting part about all the things you list and that make SWFs so "horrible" to play against, is that it can in every game no matter if any of them play together or not. They get a flashlight save because you failed to counter it. They bodyblock you because they did something right (someone was healthy, in the area and also got between you and the other survivor), they sabotaged a hook because they noticed that you carried their team mate to a certain hook etc. It can all happen in solo queue too and it is not an issue for the most part. The situations in which any of these are problematic, are a completely seperate issue. They don't go away just because people start dodging every other lobby.

Bold of you to assume I play in a SWF. Especially since you're wrong. I am a killer main and as a survivor I play almost exclusively solo.

Also, why should you get to decide if you want to play against a SWF or not? Survivors can't choose their killer either and neither side has the option to choose their opponent's perks. But if we're going to let people choose even one of those, then there is no reason why the others shouldn't follow. This would lead to DBD turning into TCM where players spend more time in the lobby than the actual game. Congrats, you have successfully killed a game that somehow survived 8 years.

If you're so scared of encountering a SWF, that probably means you don't have a lot of confidence in your skills as a killer. In that case you have a different issue altogether, which is expecting results you already know you can't achieve.

That part about playing in a KYF lobby works for killers too. Oh, you don't want to play against SWFs? Just invite a bunch of random people to play with you. Unless of course the point is to farm BP and not to avoid SWFs.

Let people play with their friends and focus on yourself. Who knows, you might even learn something from all these terrible, unbeatable SWFs on comms.

I mean, the same argument could be said about anything one can dislike because the problem is that there is no setback to lobby dodging at all.

Take nurse for example.

How many would dodge if they knew they are about to face a nurse? Would that also indicate there is a problem with her and the game balance?

-Most Turbo games I've played are not really all that different from normal games. People still pick meta and goofing off is generally looked down on. But it's also a sped up version of the game with different modifiers, how would you create a modified dbd when the games are so short and the depth is not there?

-Dont play cs2

-Normal Draft pick in League is actually way more sweaty than ranked up until a certain point once you get a high enough MMR. I don't think Aram should've been mentioned.

-Quick play in OW is still sweaty, people will goof off for the first minute or so then immediately swap to meta once they start losing.

Consensus: Ranked queues only work if the rewards and prestige for a high ranking are there. DBD has neither and I doubt they'd implement it.

A lot of players do not want challenging games, which is why lobby dodging is so prominent.

What they should do is stop being stubborn and offloading all the rewards of the match on the outcome and instead redistribute rewards based on hollistic individual performance.

Running the killer for 5 gens and dying or two hooking all survivors and getting a 0k should not feel as bad as they do currently.

Not really. How many times have you seen people curse at these horrible, unbeatable and totally unfair SWFs? And how many times do you actually lose against a SWF? So many people seem to gaslight themselves into thinking, that SWFs are some kind of unstoppable force, that completely changes the game. When in reality it's just people playing with their friends.

Do they have an advantage? Undoubtedly. Can you still beat them? Yes. But it's easier to cope when you tell yourself that you didn't have a chance to win anyway because your opponent used something unfair. Honestly, what's scary as a killer is not 4 people playing together but 4 people actually playing good. That can happen in solo queue as well (although the chances are lower).

This 'perception' is vastly overblown by confirmation bias.

The stats show that SWF have a minor advantage, which is to be expected because they can coordinate.

This isn't something that can be 'fixed'. You can give solo survivors all of the info SWF have (which there is still more they can do in this regard, don't get me wrong) but that still won't make up for the main factor that is "4 survivors who have chosen to cooperate".

Fact is that SWF don't provide so much of a skill discrepancy most of the time, that killers should feel the need to dodge them, but they would. 9/10 SWF games aren't going to be insurmountable challenges for most killers, but killers will see a SWF and assume it's the 1/10 that would, every time.