The real issues...

I think most issues have been getting worse with addition of certain perks and map design. With perks there are quite a few, most aura reading perks make stealth nearly impossible for survivors. Others are slowdowns and speed up perks on both sides. Personally i don't think gen speeds should be sped up by any perk and should be sped up only if multiple people are working on the same gen. On the opposite of that things like Pop and pain res really destroy gen progress especially when paired together. Map design is not great. You have massive maps like eyrie of crows and red forest while most new/reworked maps are relatively small and have a gimmick.

I wish people would get this killer kill rate percentage out of their head.

4 slugs = 4k

Do this 10 times = 40 kills no hooks.

Add to this survivors killing themselves on first hook and the kill percentage rate is meaningless bs.

Until Devs count hooks you will never get a true measure of killer strength.

A fluke.

And yet y'all never have a clue why those stats are what they are. It's bad, deceptive data.

Last kill stat average across the board we received from the devs was a 58.5% kill rate. That stat you linked from two years ago being 61.3%. That would mean the kill rate has in fact gone down, contrary to what you’re saying. I’d also argue even the 58.5 is inflated a bit from killers like SM that are artificially significantly higher from people removing themselves so much.

So by the data it would say this is not in fact the best kill rates have ever been.

I dont understand people saying Gen Times are okay.

I know people in this community are split about otzdarva, but a year ago, he made a video about why gen repair times are/were problematic. With the thesis being, that it is hard to play around gen times that can vary as widely as they do considering toolboxes and perks.

And since then, they nerfed Killers access to slowdown in a way, that makes it even less controllable, so every game I load up, it's gambling on whether I hear a gen pop as or before I get my first hook, or if the survs will sit on 4 Gens for 10 minutes because none of them has any way to speed them up while I sit on 1 Pentimento that they just refuse to clear.

I general I agree with the notion, that it seems there is more discouragement rather than encouragement for certain playstyles.
Easily accessible and reliable options are slowdown, and everything else risks the game not being fun, so Killers dont run it.

Then there is also the circle of toxicity, where it becomes hard to not slug against bully groups. If I dont slug, I get Sabo'd or Flashlighted. So I either Slug or refuse to play.

I also agree, that tools that were supposed to be anti-tunneling are often abused.
Like an unhooked person bodyblocking knowing they have Basekit/Perk BT active. Or people refusing to participate in the game after a hook, so they can preserve DS for it's full duration, even if I dont chase them.
It's almost like they dont mean it, when they say they dont want to be tunneled, because they do everything in their power to make me want to tunnel them.

Edit:

Oh and about Killrates.
People forget that a 50% Killrate is a tie. 60% means that 3Ks are way more rare than 2Ks meaning that we're moving in a sphere where more games end up tied than being won by Killers.
And the game, being asymmetric, wants Killers to win more often. If they didnt want that, they would have made the game symmetric.

Right so .06% isn’t super substantial but my point is that it’s misleading people by stating kill rates have never been better when that is in fact not true. Even if it’s not a statistically large percentage, it’s in the opposite direction, not even .06% higher.

More accurate if we wanted to not use a small percentage change would be to say, “kill rates haven’t changed much”.

If we took someone who had never played DBD and put that phrase and your phrase side by side they would each paint a different picture for them of the game by the phrasing.

I wonder about KR too. It feels possible that tweaking mmr can influence KR right? Like if every Survivor team spawns 1 expert, 2 intermediate, and 1 novice, a 60% KR may be easy to achieve. But maybe if you make the mmr put 2 experts on a team you can make the KR 50% or something.

Except they have? By a percentage that matters as well. That would be a lie since we have record of them being lower.

You are arguing semantics and your example doesn't track. We are functionally at the highest KR that we have record of, what I said is true.

I can't see whatever you linked.

I suspect it's an ancient stat dump, likely from before MMR was implemented?

Mine was from 2020 as well roughly a 68% kill rate. Yes it was pre mmr. I went pre mmr, because you were referencing pre mmr. If you want to only talk post mmr then we’re back at the original point of your phrasing being misleading since post mmr kill rates have been roughly the same. You brought up how they used to be much lower which is why I went there.

Realistically for data we should probably avoid pre mmr as you’re referencing, but then that goes back to my original point of we shouldn’t be saying “highest it’s ever been” since that paints an unrealistic picture to inexperienced players.

Feel like the issue with gen times comes down to alot of stacking. You can have one game where people run balanced builds (as in perks that cover different things), and the next match people can run a full loadout that all stacks towards gen speed.How can you balance something with both these approaches in mind?

While killer slowdowns have been designed in an anti-synergy approach, survivor gen speed perks can for the most part ALL stack. Killer slowdown are generally divided between progress reduction and gen blocking. Gens that are blocked or already regressing can't be kicked to utilize perks like Pop, while gens that are blocked ALSO don't regress, even if they would otherwise be regressing (ruin for example). IMO, this is a pretty good approach. On the survivor side though... no such approach is taken. Most gen speed perks can be used in tandem.

Well, like I said, you'd balance around that by identifying the lynchpin of those builds: Toolboxes.

A survivor could be running four perks that all increase gen speeds, but because of their numbers and design, they'd pale in comparison to just running a toolbox with good addons, let alone with good addons and a supporting build.

It's entirely possible that perks alone could become an issue in the future, with more releasing and more changes coming in, but as it stands right now, a survivor even dedicating all four perks to gen speed just isn't getting particularly unbalanced results if we're exempting toolboxes from the discussion. Add toolboxes in, and the problem appears.

Dang I didn’t realize peer to peer was giving that many more kills. Pretty wild. More significant effect than I thought for dedicated servers.

Doesn’t show months so I can’t say. We’d have to manually go through all the old posts to see exactly when it was listed.

I remember them being pretty janky but I didn't think it was that bad. It’s been a while since then though.

The gameplay overall needs a HUGE change, both for killer and survivor. I'm main killer, and I've been playing a bit more survivor lately, but the game is getting again too boring to the point that not even switching role makes me want to play more than 2-3 matches a day.

As killer, I only play friendly killer. 2 hooks on each and you're free to go. Even then, I feel the necessity of having extra objectives as killer to do. If i played normally, having as only objective to kill the survivors leads me to only be after them, no matter who, until they die. That's why people tunnel, slug, and camp. Kicking gens is an absolute joke, just as waste of time. So, what would a killer do if not following survivors in boring loops and killing them? There's no incentive for anything else.

As survivor, doing gens is the most boring thing ever. Just sitting there for a few seconds with 2 skill checks at most and you're done... Unhooking others is the fun part in my opinion, and even chases (even if i suck at that) are entertaining a bit. When on hook, it's also boring as #########, especially if your teammates suck. But since the main objective is repairing the gens, the main gameplay is boring as hell. And since the only objective of killers is to get kills, i often get tunneled, camped, or slugged.

The entirety if the gameplay needs a rework basically from scratch.

I think it's your play style that makes it boring. For example you say kicking gens is a joke and a waste of time... I use nowhere to hide to see hidden survivors near the gen or what direction they ran to. Handy if your Myers, can see them hiding then just insta kill them. There are other perks that makes kicking gens worthwhile too. I do agree that it's boring going in circles chasing a looper but that's due to survivors ignoring the other objectives in the game that gives points.

From a survivor point of view, doing gens, doing totems, evading the killer gives points. if your only thinking "do gens, escape" then yes it can be boring. You also admit to not playing the game as intended by getting 2 hooks then letting them go, I would be bored doing that and playing against a killer like that because that's not what a match should be. Maybe instead of thinking of the goal being "kill survivors" or "escape as survivor" you could look at the points as a goal, try get as many points as possible by changing your play style? Or play a game better suited to you?

I use nowhere to hide as well