Singularity is Miserable

maybe the killer just isn't for you.

auto aiming in cameras felt nice, but it def made him way easier than he should've been for what he's capable of, especially in comparison to the effort it would take to start dealing with singularity that can actually infect people.

If I recall correctly, it was the auto aim of the cameras

i really hope they do, it was a direct nerf to good singularity players bc you could manually aim & tag people faster than you would tag them with autoaim and increased tagging time.

No offense but that's a you issue.

yeah in his current state (live) he feels extremely awful and clunky to play I wish emp worked like Weskers spray cans.

Tldr, Basekit singularity sucks, you do need soma to get hits because good survivors will just hold checkspots. Singularity cannot dash towards you or hit you from afar they have to walk to hit you.

Better survivors run to windows not to pallets, and if you hold proper checkspots base singularity should never get the hit in power unless, key word here, UNLESS survivors make a mistake. You literally cannot get a hit in power if they hold w your boost will run out before a hit. You can see this. Without soma you will not get a hit unless a survivor makes a mistake, if you got a hit in power then that survivor made a mistake. Actually play the killer and you will see how awful he is. Soma is literally needed to get hit otherwise the survivor can vault or rerun the loop etc.

Basekit, your Macro means nothing if every hit takes 5 to ten seconds for first goop, Emped for 5 seconds, another ten seconds for second goop, then a tp <basekit so survivor needs to make a mistake> so eight seconds for a pallet or hit, repeat till down etc. it adds up to forty or fifty seconds chases but better survivors will ruin it for you. Sure they wont play perfect but you wont either so the outcome is they same.

I don't even know if it's about aim assist or auto aim, I mean they've stated weird text of "increased EMP radius to 10 meters" when in fact it has always been 10meters

What's happening in singularity team even, it's so… inconsistent, I think

Yeah, because even on PC it made no sense that he's recoiling from throwing knives like he's got a gun. And he still alternates throwing hands on every other knife, so still unfeasible on console against survivors who aren't standing still. Don't even get me started on how hard PC survivors could bully him, with their ridiculous turn rate.

This is bananas. You don't even understand EMPs in relation to gen pressure, of which there is none with this killer. The time investment of getting EMPs is so worth it, it's not even funny. Singularity can set up a well-placed camera that covers all workable sides of the gen, and then as soon as he infects someone, they EMP, which undoes the infection and disables the camera for a hideous amount of time. Now what? He's forced to manually walk over there, and either replace the camera/regress gen or infect/chase 1 survivor off. Either way, huge time waste which is a net positive for survivors because he's still only interrupting 1-2 people. Or he can do none of those things, let them have the gen for free, because they'll EMP his camera again if he tries to stop it, and instead chase the survivor near him, who with or without an EMP will waste too much of his time anyway that he can't possibly make up. The only way he'd get any amount of pressure rolling is if all 4 survivors looked for EMPs at the start instead of gens, 1 got interrupted by Singularity while trying to get one, and then had a really bad quick chase. Even then, he needs that process to rinse and repeat nonstop the whole match, while counting hooks so he doesn't go for more than 1-2 at a time (an auto-loss), which almost can't happen because the EMPs not only generate automatically, but can also wipe out multiple infections and/or multiple cameras at once, of which 1 instance of that is an auto-loss. When the survivors can just rebound so easily, because the Singularity has to do so much for so little, what even is "the wrong play" that they could possibly make?

Y'all keep taking about this magical world where a certain killer is always in advantage and can always rebound if he always does this scientifically broken down thing, but in practice it virtually never lines up with what I and others see or are physically capable of. It stinks of smurf-esque opposition, confirmation bias, and luck. You'd have to experience the most successful, no-misplay series of matches to even come close to these conclusions. Because in my experience, 1 player knows how to loop/counterplay, killer could lose the whole game. 4 players possess that knowledge, defeat is basically inevitable. Multi-thousand hour players like myself know this. The only killers that break this rule, because of just how much they can do at loops, how much map/chase pressure they have, or how easily they can get a hit, would be like Nurse, Blight with speed add-ons, Myers with purple add-ons AND the best possible map with no SWF involved. And it's still not foolproof. So if those killers are struggling, everyone besides them is most assuredly struggling. Just based off my experience with Trapper, Hag, Demogorgon (if using portals), Skull Merchant (set-up killers), I can see the countless weaknesses that Singularity has. Countless. He has more counterplay than Wraith and Hag, which is frankly shocking. I'm astonished, that killers like this get such high praise, because in the grand scheme of the game this is not viable. Viable killers can win vs good survivors who know the counterplay, not just against hammy survivors who don't know what they're doing.

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killers like singularity who have big secondary objectives to play around, while also having power which design allows to severely punish mistakes and create tons of pressure on survivors shouldn't be easy. they're extremely oppressive if used right and singularity is the most potentially powerful out of all such killers because how complex his secondary objective resource management is in cases where singularity player is getting more than one tag per minute.

devs did a good job adding aiming assist on teleport with m2 or placing cameras (even though that feels really clunky) which is what accessibility changes for this killer should be as controllers dont really allow precise aiming which was sometimes required when placing cameras or teleporting with m2.

autoaim on cameras is just autopiloting the killer at this point though.

It's not just the precision that's much more difficult with the controller, it's also the dead zones in the sticks and input delay with any button on them. Killers that needs snappy movement or to quickly swing around the camera to be effective & feel good to play will always be rougher with a controller.

The best solution is finally adding M&K support for all platforms, and letting players use what they wish, but that ain't coming. I though this auto-aim idea was to help address this with Singularity, but now I think he'll just not be run again hardly ever on the consoles.

I‘m not against adding things to help people, but this change made players basically a AI. Why does a player even play this killer if the game does everything for them and that was what the change did. It did automatically aim at the survivor and did automatically tp you. It would be the same if you made that you can‘t miss a hit with nurse anymore, because the game always tps you in front of the survivor.

I agree that a bar would be better and having a higher sensitivity than 100. Mouse and keyboard support would be nice too.

some characters are simply more mechanically challenging bc of their powers specifics and it's part of their learning curve.

devs should`ve kept autoaim as a high rarity addon with downsides and called it a day, imo, but i guess they didnt want to deal with the next step of people complaining about accessibility locked behind an addon.

im personally glad they, hopefully, settled on not adding it. yeah, it sucks for some players, they still have many other killers they can learn and play. as M&K player I'd rather have something to express particular M&K skills.

A killer for everyone, not every killer for everyone.

I'm curious, have you played Singularity with a controller, if you have one?

I hate that mindset. You basically saying it's okay to gatekeep a killer for controller players just so K&M players can keep their so call "skill expression" That's one of the lamest excuses I have ever seen and reeks of PC master race mind set. No every single killer by default should be playable on both console and PC. At the bare minimum killers should play smoothly on all versions of the game. It's pretty clear to me you never once played on controller.

of course I didnt, because controller is a terrible way to play the kind of games I enjoy playing. Why should I force myself to play on inherently clunky and terrible device for my goals?

i've seen a plenty of singularities doing necessary bare minimum for successful performance with the controller. it is harder, but is very much possible if you're familiar with the device. you rarely need instaflicks on cameras if you place cams properly.

and i'd rather not have MY experience negatively affected by devs' futile attempts to make singularity equally playable for clunky controllers, since while adding the autoaim, they most likely decided it's a good reason to nerf lock on by 33% which is WAY bigger delay than it takes for skilled sng players to turn the camera manually.

I think you should be glad they made other QoL changes like m2 aim assist or camera placement aim assist which is what you actually shouldn't have to struggle on any platform and which don't come at a cost of worsening the character for people that enjoy him already, instead of complaining about things that are an overkill and come at a bigger price than they should be.

I see a high effort killer that most people won't ever pick up no matter the QoLs because he's too tedious and complex for the general audience that recognizes strength in "press m2, press m1, hit a simple skillshot, get a guaranteed hit" kind of killers.

I also see that me desperately trying to make this killer appealing for larger group means removing anything that makes him special as it inherently involves gutting the aspects that people who don't play the character dislike about him.

Let's prioritize "convenient" fun and "accessibility" over keeping niche well designed character niche and well designed.

So, let's try to work with that. Im not going to be overdramatic and turn this killer into a skull merchant, but for him to be enjoyable for everyone, they'd literally have to do exactly that. Make cameras infect people on their own, NERF them accordingly, nerf EMPs so that they only do XYZ, nerf something else in his kit to compensate for that and so on back and forth.

People won't play this killer because this is a type of killer that requires very high effort for not higher reward. Most people can barely play regular killers, such advanced characters (assuming you're expecting them to play them at high level that they normally reach pretty fast on conventionally strong killers) are like spaceshuttle board control for them.

And then there are players who want something complex, maybe even slightly over the top, because they can put the necessary effort and have the reward.

Meanwhile, there are indeed things that need polishing. His addon dependency. Clunky m2 priorities that make TPing or placing cameras awkward. Lack of certain obvious features to help optimization. Some addons being too unique for being just addons. Oh wait, look what BHVR just did. They did the best thing to make the character as accessible as they should be - they removed the requirement to have very-rare addon to have a fair reward for the effort, they added minor QoLs to smoothen the gameplay, added missing features and made the character easier to pick up without having to put millions in them.

But they didn't add a handholding feature that removes the necessary skillshot aspect to earn your infections. Evil devs, how could they. They must hate their players and gatekeep the killer from them and listen to awful people like me. They definitely don't have common sense to recognize when accessibility stops being accessibility and becomes handholding.

singularity with autoaim was easier to use than to counter on lower levels. this is a very big problem for low-middle mmr (which is actually a noticeable different compared to softcap and above) because singularity is that kind of killer that is extremely oppressive and difficult to counter if he performs ever so slightly better than you & your team does due to his insane reactionary map mobility, high chase efficient power and punishing secondary objective that makes survivors lose the games if they sink too much time on it without good payback.

manual aiming part was a necessary skill barrier to pass as it required you to learn positional awareness and actually find people on cameras instead of clicking on them and having them immediately find a person for you. autoaim removed the thinking process and focus from using cameras. you click on camera, if it flicked on anybody, you were good, if it didnt, there was no reason to stay in it anymore in most cases because the autoaim has ALREADY checked ALL 360 DEGREES of this camera's field of view for potential targets. removing these initial barriers turns characters into low mmr stompers as people that pick them up immediately perform their one sided skill input much better than their opponents instead of struggling there alongside them.

it would've been one thing if auto aim just aimed your crosshair to the person already visible on the screen (which I personally have no problem with, assuming it doesnt come with compensation nerfs), but that wouldn't have been enough as most people place cameras in such a way, that they dont initially see the survivor once you enter the for the first time. they eventually learn to flick, because it's a more convenient way of adapting than changing the camera placement logic.

and because of that, the autoaim has 360 degrees FoV awareness against 87 degrees FoV that camera has for the player.

it allowed unexperienced / new players to skip all the basic learning part and treat cameras as slightly more elaborate SM drones. it also allowed more skilled players to use cameras to effortlessly locate survivors outside of camera's field of view. or hold 2 objectives on the opposide sides of the camera without having to manually look one direction and then the other.

this was likely the reason devs decided to remove autoaim. Im sure they'll eventually bring it back once they figure out how to make it so it also keeps though process while accessing cameras and tagging people or to prevent camera finding people that person had no awareness of. Or they don't which would be for the better.

the middle ground is them not adding the autoaim (which works essentially like cheating, it doesnt just help aiming, it literally finds any survivor within cameras whole 360 FoV in mere moments) and keeping other, much more unambiguously healthy changes.

I think that's fair.

As for trickster, his rework had lots of issues and so far I heard that his mains are really unhappy, though their problems are less about recoil and more about knife / stat rebalance that made him into hybrid m1 / m2 instead of being m2 oriented.

I dont think his case is much comparable, unless we assume that him being turned into hybrid with less dependency on knife was a direct result of devs deciding that him being pure m2 with much easier to hit power is too much for the strength that his power was supposed to have and therefore he had to be rebalanced to throwless knives / require more knives to hit and being forced to play as m1 as well.

In that situation, this is exactly what Im worried will and has happened to singularity. 0.2 / 33% nerf was an example of that, though Im sure if they went through and let it be for a while, more nerfs would've come.

EDIT: as for ways to find middleground in autoaim being there, I think it should only work for survivors that are within camera's current FoV (aka it aims at survivors that would've been already visible to the killer player). I would be fine with that, bc it wouldnt dumb down singularity too much and it wouldnt make cameras into omniscient tools capable of instantly locking onto the survivor within their possible field of view. However, that is only if they don't simultaneously nerf singularity alongside that, hurting his skill ceiling.

My perception of this killer is that he is entirely about infinite skill ceiling. He can do A LOT, but he has to put effort into every action, doing it manually and with awareness. If they automate some actions, alongside slowing them doing, it goes against that vision and hurts his skill ceiling, reducing it as much as it reduces the skill floor. This is not good.

Yeah the forums don't like multiple quick edits to a post. 😂🤣