When will the developers finally adapt “Windows of Opportunity”?

It's not reaaaaaaaaaally. The killer is always going to know where pallets have been broken.

I'd nerf it by limiting its range to 24 meters. Nothing more.

No, a nerf is not needed.

This perk helps a ton of people, not just veterans but mostly newcomers to the game.

Its already overwhelming as it is, coming into the game with 200+ perks on each side, bloodweb grind, what killers are good, bad, how to play against each specific killer, etc.

This thread feels exactly like a 'Nerf Distortion' thread, lol.

So I'm going to address your entire post in points.

1. So you say Weave + Franklins is not a problem. But I ask you this; if survivors were able to dismiss/disable your killer add-ons + get aura to see where you are, would you not have a problem with it?
2. Most people don't just go around a corner and drop the item, b/c (you know this) they don't know its in play yet. Once its in play and realized by the survivors, its too late. That isn't healthy gameplay b/c if we knew what perks a killer was running like Franklins + Weave, we wouldn't even bother running an item in the first place.
3. Distortion counters aura. If you rely on aura and you come across someone or multiple people running Distortion, why shouldn't they punish you? Also please explain how WoO limits your build.
4. I can't speak for all new players but I've seen many times, people come into these forums asking about what specific character to get since they are new to the game. The general consensus is Kate is 1 of the best to unlock b/c of WoO. And she isn't exactly locked behind anything special, besides currency.
5. My reasoning is a lot better than yours. You are actually trying to defend Weave + Franklins which completely negates items while giving killers a huge advantage b/c people want to use the items they bring in. WoO is used for a variety of reasons, by newcomers and veterans alike.
6. We don't want a cooldown b/c its not needed. That simple. You guys tried the same thing with Distortion, pretending it was for 'game health reasons', talking about how the 1 person on the team w/ Distortion would get the other teammates tunneled/given more pressure (when in reality, it probably caused killers to lose games b/c they couldnt rely on aura).
7. Many content creators as well as experienced killers disagree with you. A lot of killer mains have extreme egos and will never admit fault in their gameplay. The actual good killers, don't really care about WoO. Its a useful perk for survivors but it does not = a won game.

1. They DID say weave + franks is a problem. But that if you're gonna sit and defend WoO saying it shouldn't need a nerf neither does whatever flavour of the month high pickrate killer perk is being complained about.
   
2. I don't understand this point, of course it wouldn't be good if players knew what the opposing side is using because they'd always try to counter it or DC if they don't like it. The point scythe was trying to make was that a killer combo that gives similar value to WoO requires multiple perks, doesn't have nearly as much consistent value as WoO and unlike WoO can be countered without needing to bring a perk, say like distortion. Also "We" heavily implies you don't play killer and don't understand why WoO is so unfathomably annoying and boring to go against as a non anti-chase killer.
   
3. Distortion is boring to play against and again, doesn't have a counter unless you're playing a stealth killer or scratched myers and just eat all their stacks. Scythe explained that WoO limits killers because, it artificially lengthens chases with low skill players and as a result gens will have more time to be worked on, meaning you HAVE to bring more anti gen or player a killer that has strong 1 v 1 powers.
   
4. telling new players to go unlock a perk that stunts their learning of the game because they'll always just be running to the yellow aura holding W and never actually learning tiles or where stuff can spawn is terrible, snake eating it's own tail logic.
   And even then giving WoO a 30 second cooldown after a fast vault wont stop new players from being able to use it to find a nearby pallet but will stop players from using the perk as an actual easy mode for the game.
   
5. see above, they didn't defend weave. they said if you're defending WoO then weave shouldn't be nerfed either because they both do similar things except one requires more effort, doesn't provide constant value and can be countered without perks or addons.
   
   Also no, your "reasoning" isn't good. it's just you avoiding outright saying it makes the game easier, which you effectively did.
   
   Which is the EXACT reason it's a problem, it raises the skill floor so high that even a fresh install could just run to the yellow and press space bar, repeat and do well. That is a problem, especially as playing killer against that feels genuinely awful, there's no skill involved, no thought process, only holding W. You either drop chase when they drop some decent pallets or lose 3 gens trying to get them on an unsafe pallet to down them.
   
6. again "we" implies you don't play killer and don't understand why it sucks to play against, you can't see the value WoO has from survivor perspective unless you're running it, you've predropped 5 pallets in a row, got hit at an LT wall and then get downed at an unsafe loop from bloodlust and then 3 gens pop and you loudly exclaim: "Baby Killer"
   Again, this "we" explains also why you don't find distortion to be a problem either. the fun of playing killer is getting into chases, the point of distortion is to avoid getting into a chase and rewards you with more protection if you don't get into a chase, letting you sit on your gen until it's completed after the killer came looking for you 3 times and couldn't find you because you're hiding behind a rock at the edge of the map with urban evasion.
   
7. again, wrong. scythe even had a reference to JRM making fun of the perks overuse, and "good" killers are playing killers that have decent anti loop and don't really care about if a survivor knows where every pallet on the map is at all times, because
   A: they're playing nurse.
   B: they're playing a ranged killer and will just hit them over the pallet or before they get to it.
   C: they're playing pre nerf blight.
   D: they're playing a killer that insta breaks pallets.
   And even then it doesn't change the fact that WoO is holding up a decent % of survive rates, that has no doubt resulted in killer buffs. If WoO got reverted to have it's old cooldown, it's use rate wouldn't drop but the survival rate of those using it would drop instantly because you can't just hold W from yellow to yellow for the entire game. they'll actually have to use their brains to know where they're going.

The fact of the matter is that WoO is DBD's own easy mode, and there's no way it remaining unchanged at the highest pickrate in the entire game because it's an easy mode is acceptable.

Killer perks get nerfed for high usage rates/being too strong, as do survivor perks. It depends on the perk's function. Ruin, for example, passively regressing generators that aren't actively being worked on is far stronger than WoO, which shows you pallets and vaults.

If WoO is so problematic, why don't killers run Hex: The Third Seal? Several killers have blindness add-ons, so you could even get away with not having to sacrifice a perk slot. Could even run Hex: Blood Favor.

The inherent weakness of hex perks being cleansable off spawn doesn't make them weaker than a perk that, despite having 100% uptime, only shows you the locations of pallets and vaults. You also only need to use one perk or add-on to counter WoO.

Not all perks are created equal.

I'd be for a minor nerf. Not because it's extremely powerful nor anything like that. Moreover to mix up the perks more.

However, were this to be nerfed a little, first there needs to be changes made to lesser used perks to make them more viable. Boost them first, see what the usage is, and then - if Windows of Opportunity is still high up - nerf it a bit.

What on earth makes you think you need to run a full build to counter WoO? I listed off counters to the perk. You pick one and roll with it.

You'd be surprised at how long a Hex like Third Seal can remain active. If the hex perk in question provides a minor inconvenience at best, Survivors are unlikely to waste their time looking for it.

I'm not undermining the strength of the perk. WoO is an information type perk. It cannot compete, in terms of strength, with regression perks. They are fundamentally different.

Yes, Third Seal can be cleansed. What's your point here?

If you're looking for a permanent non-counterable solution to WoO, then you aren't going to find it. You don't need to run 4 perks to keep the blindness readily up. The goal is not to permanently keep the perk out of play.

The most notable killer perks to be nerfed for high usage rates have been regression perks. When WoO is passively repairing generators, then we can say they're equivalent in strength. Ruin was just an example, and is objectively stronger by virtue of being a regression perk.

Railroad players into using specific perks

It's a little thing called Counterplay.

I know this is really hard for all you Windows complainers to understand, but the problem is not WoO. It's map design. Nerfing the perk won't fix bad map design. Pre-nerf Pain Res DMS couldn't be countered by Calm Spirit. You wouldn't scream, but you'd still let go of the gen.

Why would this perk need a cool down when there is only a X number of pallets that 4 survivors share which is the biggest part of this perk to not go where there are no pallets.A single survivor that's good enough can use almost half the pallets in one chase so by the time the 3rd survivor gets chased his perk is almost useless. The windows are always there. I think u have a skill issue not a survivor perk issue.

Weave only takes effect when your item's charges are reduced to zero. No perk is needed to counter it, and unless you're running a perk to recharge your item you can just drop it somewhere at 1 charge. Unless you're getting into a chase with the killer early or running either a flashlight, key, or medkit, Frankie's isn't going to be a problem.

I don't think Weave + Frankie's is a big problem tbh. It's easily countered, and those perks aren't anywhere near as strong as regression perks.

On the subject of WoO and "reliable counterplay": You have Enduring + Spirit Fury which is a general pallet counterplay. You also have the Hex perks Third Seal, and Blood Favor. There are also add-ons that inflict blindness. There is a risk that your Hex could be broken at the start of the game, but that's down to RNG. It's not guaranteed to happen.

As far as afflictions go, Blindness is probably the least impactful. It hides auras, which doesn't really bother survivors too much unless they're running a full aura build. This means that a hex like Third Seal is either going to be cleansed because someone spawned on it, or stay up for the entire round because it's not inconveniencing the survivors enough that they feel the need to look for it.

Windows of Oppurtunity and Kindred both need to be basekit. As it is playing Killer is easier than a PvE game.

What you are doing is asking why a good driver would ever drive an automatic if they know how to drive a manual, when the answer is simple: Because it is easier and effortless.

Good survivors maybe don't "need" an autopilot perk, but they use it anyway because it is a substitute for good game sense, removing any need to be aware of your surroundings, memorizing where pallets are, or planning an "escape route" in case the killer finds you, without any drawback or cost. This is why it is the most useful and powerful survivor perk, and consequently, the most used even by those "good survivors" (who maybe are not that good without it).

WoO should be an aid on top of having that good game sense, not a substitute for it. It should grant you the ability to check where the pallets are and plan your pathing from a distance without granting the possibility of just forgetting about all of it and press W to go from pallet to pallet when you are on chase. In other words, it needs a cooldown, and preferably one that doesn't fill after you drop your first pallet or vault your first window when you are in chase.

And by the way, the irony of complaining about "killers that don't want to improve" while "not caring" about one of the perks that removes any need for improvement from survivors is incredible.

The fact that you think that the only complexity of a fighting game (the genre that is almost impossible to play in a casual manner precisely because of the time investment, skill and knowledge gaining needed) is knowing how your character works says everything.

And the problem is not having "accessibility options" (which in this case, is hidden behind a DLC character without any possibility for new players to even knowing it exist… so accessible), but having options that remove any need for developing any game sense or skill entirely. In fact, the problem that SF6 "Auto" mode has is that it allows you to do pretty damaging combos with just the push of a couple of buttons and without having to worry about hit confirm or timing, which makes it impossible to ever drop them, and that's why it was complained about. In contrast, Tekken 7's combo assist never bothered anybody because yeah, it allows you to make a 1-button combo, but the combos you can do with it are at most decent, allowing you to play the game when you don't know anything about it until you are ready to make the jump on learning how to really play the game.

So, even if WoO were an "accessibility tool" (which it isn't, starting with what has already been said and not even being available to new players), it is broken because it removes any need to develop a great part of the game sense necessary to be a decent survivor (remembering pallets, planning escape paths, etc.) and it provides the exact same value to new players that don't even know what to do, as to those god loopers that now know where every single pallet is so they would never, ever make a mistake.

So, it is not "out of spite", it is for obvious balance reasons.

and it provides the exact same value to new players that don't even know what to do, as to those god loopers that now know where every single pallet is so they would never, ever make a mistake.

This is simply not true. There is a lot more to looping than simply knowing where pallets are. Furthermore good players know where pallets can spawn and don't need help from a perk. The only substantial benefit WoO gives to good loopers is knowing which pallets where used by other players, a benefit that is only relevant to Solo Queue.

Windows is not a replacement to skill. You could argue its used as a crutch by unskilled players but why does it matter? Unskilled players are not hard to chase regardless of WoO.

Nerfing WoO would be a benefit to the good players that still use this perk, as it would encourage them to drop it and use a better perk instead. But would be very detrimental to less skilled players that don't have a good grasp on tile generation and pallet spawns.

Windows of Opportunity is not an "accessibility option". That's absurd. I remember watching a youtuber or streamer, although I can't remember which one, who said he USED to consider Woo a crutch perk. But, that was back when there was like 1/4 the maps or whatever (don't know the exact ratio.) The only players who would be able to learn all the maps would be Neets with thousands and thousands of hours. And just having the free time to memorize all that is not "skill." That's why I think Woo should just be basekit (along with Kindred) to help narrow the gap between solo que and Swf. And then if kill rates actually go down from this (I doubt it would even be that much) then they can buff Killer to compensate in some way. The fact is for everything except maybe the very highest MMR killer has become easy mode in the game and the Survivor role is incredibly unfriendly to new players.

You used the difficulty of playing a character in a fighting game to argue about its accessibility, like it is the only factor that affects the skill and knowledge requirements of it. So yes, you know nothing.

And I already explained why it is a balance issue: Because it removes any need to develop the minimum game sense required to do well in the game while allowing those that have it to never make a mistake, as all their decisions are informed ones, which ends up being unfair. Ergo, a balance issue.

It is not only a help to new players, it is a substitute for game sense at any level, and that's the problem. That's why it needs to be nerfed to a point where it is just a help for the survivor, not a forever "worth while trade" without any cost or drawback.

The only substantial benefit WoO gives to good loopers is knowing which pallets where used by other players, a benefit that is only relevant to Solo Queue.

This is what is simply not true. First, because not all SWF play like a SWAT team that shares every single movement they make, and second, because it allows anyone, no matter if it is a good looper or not, to make informed decisions everytime removing any possibility of making a mistake.

That's precisely the problem, that's why the "it is an accessibility option for new players" argument is not valid , because it also gives value to those good loopers that now can loop the killer from pallet to pallet without ever entering a death zone by mistake. That's why it should be nerfed.

Windows is not a replacement to skill. You could argue its used as a crutch by unskilled players but why does it matter? Unskilled players are not hard to chase regardless of WoO.

Except, again, it allows unskilled players to:

• Not having to memorize where pallets spawn
• Not having to memorize where unused pallets are
• Not having to plan their escape in case the killer finds them in a gen
• Not even having to know how to loop, as they can go from pallet to pallet predropping it and still make the killer lose a lot of time

That while, again, allowing skilled players to never make a mistake in term of pathing and what loop to play, as they will always know what loops still has a pallet.

Nerfing WoO would be a benefit to the good players that still use this perk, as it would encourage them to drop it and use a better perk instead. But would be very detrimental to less skilled players that don't have a good grasp on tile generation and pallet spawns.

And that's how it should be. Again, WoO should be a help on top of having the good game sense to do all the things I listed before, allowing you to have "X-Rays" and be able to plan with a lot more info that you would normally have by just looking, not a substitute to that game sense so "less skilled players" don't have the need to "have a good grasp on tile generation and pallet spawn", among other things.