Slugging is a huge problem in 2v8

yeah it’s weird that people slug in this. It’s not like they have to pick em up and worry about flashlights and sabo squads. I’ve only been slugged twice now. Both by a huntress (go figure). But one time I was able to get myself up on my own and escape. Best believe I tbagged at the gate till the very last second for slugging.
this mode would also be a good testing ground to see what anti-slugging tools are best so they can move it to 1v4 where if you’re not camped or tunneled, you’re slugged

because slugging people allows killer to group survivors up. It allows killer to capitalize off altruism, something that is almost non-existent in cage system.

When hag gets added, you'll see more slugging because… hag relies on altruism to be good. trapper basement, it is all about around altruism. slugging is kinda killer ticket to capitalize off altruism.

there is no hooking. you only send survivor to cage. Being near a cage teleport survivor. survivor that begin rescue animation are invulnerable and any survivor rescued from cage gains endurance. Also the cages do not have any aura attached to them.

with slugging

→ Survivors do not teleport when killer is near them

→ Survivors that is revived from dying state to injured state does not gain endurance.

→ Killer knows where survivor is located.

→ Killers can damage survivors as they are being healed from dying state, often allowing a trade.

slugging is only way to camp/play defensive in that 2vs8 mode. I cannot say for certain for how viable the gameplay is.

coconutrts tried to slug just to see if it was really a problem alongside his friend under the guise of hooking all surviviors instantly. and his friend helped

It took 5 hours to get a game where they slugged every survivior. Keep in mind these players were some that played since the launch and they both used nurse and huntress and the survivors were noobs.

Trust, slugging isnt a issue.

Yeah, it makes no sense for killers to be able to slug survivors in this mode… However the whole slugging technique isn't as common as people imply - in my hours long game time playing survivor I have yet to come across killers doing that.

The one time a killer left me on the floor was because they got greedy and decided to chase after another survivor, but I healed and once the bar had fully regained I shot straight back up? So idk how that happened

I haven't seen any slugging in the games I had i feel like that's gonna massively backfire if just a handful of the survivors know what they doing

I just discovered that you have unbreakable - but only if you are third hook.

It comes with the Self Heal. You also get endurance. Got up 2 times… but did not find a hatch :-(

Doesn't change the fact that it happens and should be dealt with. I personally don't suggest Unbreakable in the sense of faster recovery speed, only the self-recovery aspect itself. Please elaborate on what you mean with the huge gameplay ramifications.

I've had it where both of the killers play specifically to slug all 8 Survivors until they bleed out.

It's definitely possible, especially with the better killers. Nurse + Billy, Nurse + Huntress, Billy + Huntress are all probably capable if you have two good killers in a premade. You're not pulling that off with a Trapper and a Wraith, though.

Slugging excessively can still be a major issue. There are a lot of inexperienced players in lobbies at the moment (good luck getting an 8 stack lmao).

It is 100% possible. I have seen it happen. I am not a bad player by any means. It dragged the match out for an eternity but they eventually got everybody down and then bled them out.

Slugging so hard people bleed out in this mode should not be a thing. With the whole cage mechanic, and the fact that pallet/flashlight saves are basically impossible in this mode, then there really isn't a reason to not add a self-pickup mechanic.

The whole reason basekit unbreakable was a bad idea in 1v4 was that there are instances where picking up a Survivor are not possible for a period of time. This is not the case in 2v8.

It's not really a common thing to see, but the cases where it does happen are so obnoxious that I think it warrants a change.

what you just wished for is basekit…. Are you sure it happened to you?

Also i referred to how it took 5 hours with the most sweaty killers and experienced against noob surviviors. A regular game(which the game balances on) will never have 8 slugs.

Also… No many mechanics will prevent a gamestyle, similir to how facecamping just made killers use m2 abilities.

What a gaslighting thing to say. Yes, I am sure it happened to me. Are you sure you read my post? Because if you did, you would see that I already addressed all you just said. Huntress and Nurse, whole team downed, no one caged so no one had unlocked self-recovery which only unlocks when your next cage is death.

Like I already said, you can refer to whoever you want, streamer or not, "sweaty" or not, how little you see it happening, how little you think it happens, how little it actually happens, the fact remains that slugging can happen and does happen and it should be dealt with. Similar to any game-breaking occurrence, it doesn't matter that it happens rarely, it shouldn't be there at all, that is the point.

And yes, playstyles happen within the perimeters of the games design, change the perimeters and you can change what playstyles are allowed within those perimeters. The ability to self-recover pre-cage would counter a full-team slugging.

Interesting suggestion, more specifically, a Corrupt Intervention with the current state of being disabled upon the first Survivor downed, or with an adjustment like on the first two Survivors?

I agree with Paige who suggested the remote hook from anniversary event in place of stomping for the Killers, at the exchange for more gens to repair, cage system could remain the same, this way it would open up for altruism for Survivors with flashlight saves and pallet saves while relieving Killers of the time consuming carrying to hooks and I still think being able to fully recover pre-cage should be basekit, because it is the only self-inherent counter-mechanic to slugging pre-cage.

I agree, would be nice to have that.

whole reason why it is so dragged out is because it takes 4 minutes to bleed out. it is long time. so while it has benefits, it also has one large negative.

The whole reason basekit unbreakable was a bad idea in 1v4 was that there are instances where picking up a Survivor are not possible for a period of time. This is not the case in 2v8.

Or maybe because it prevented killer from making any comebacks+allowed survivors to aggressively bodyblock for dead hook people with fresh hook players? Not saying unbreakable doesn't have this problem but at least problem isn't base-kit.

Slugging is effective in 2v8 because hooking sends the survivor far away where they are completely safe and frequently right next to another player to be put back into hte game within a few seconds and because you don't know where they are coming off the hook sending someone to a hook generates very little pressure. However someone who is slugged is right next to a killers current location, and needs to recover for ~30 seconds before they can be picked up at uncaging speeds and when they are you know exactly where to go to begin pressuring them again before they can be fully healed. The end result is that a slugged survivor generates a lot more pressure on the team.

You can still make comebacks and bodyblocking is less of an issue, since you don't have the time sink that comes with hooking people. You just cage and move on.