There is now no incentive to p100 a survivor

Or BHVR could just show MMR on the end game screen, and that’s it. Most PvP games show MMR to all players, and it’s completely fine.

There is often so much drama on these forums, that “showing MMR might cause drama” isn’t really an argument.

What I mean is I just don't understand your mindset of having to show off a arbitrary number that 90% of the community cares nothing about. Even if you just want to show off to your friends you can do this without the option you want. You can take a picture and share it with your friends, you can stream on discord or on twitch and ect. The only reason I can think of why you care so much about about your prestige level is to show off the strangers which those strangers won't care about a number that means nothing. Even then you can still achieve your goal of showing your level in the endgame screen since it still there for killer and survivors who wants to see it. At the end of the day I still think devs will never back down from this choice and I think they shouldn't bc prestige levels have only caused more lobby dodging. We just have to agree to disagree.

So the truth is coming out. It actually has nothing to do about showing off the love for your character but to lobby shop. You don't want to be paired with lower hour survivors than yourself and you want to use someone prestige to skip lobbies. So you basically admitting what Mandy told you that showing one prestige at the beginning of a match leads to lobby dodging on both sides. Btw the reason mmr gets messed up alot of times is because you dodging lobbies. When you dodge a lobby (survivor or killer) you keeping that lobby open longer meaning the the mmr system in turn is widening the search, putting lower mmr players in lobbies they have no reason being in. Ppl who dodge lobbies are apart of the mmr problem DBD has.

I agree, what's the point of getting anything over p3 unless you run out of items at this point

Well now here's the thing: convince vs thing that can (and does according to the test bhvr ran) help the game. Since you can already track progress, either external with friends or on the end screen for randoms, we'd rather stick with what helps the game overall. It really REALLY feels like an ego thing, but hey, maybe you can prove us wrong.

We agree some ego isn't bad, it's just what that ego causes the players to do is where our problem lies. This showing off badges is causing people to leave lobbies (fact as was tested and we sincerely doubt the devs would bother making a conspiracy) which then screws the matchmaking, which then causes the complaints about unfair matches and all the things that go with it.

Fair enough, but sadly this is as we've said, it's an all or nothing deal. Either show it or hide it, but optional doesn't work in this scenario.

I really do not see what they could possibly be doing with MMR that is so controversial, it's just a number used to matchmake…

But I don't see how DCs actually affect matchmaking aside from lobby dodging. Don't you neither gain nor lose it if you DC or are DCed?

There is no valid MMR system, it seems completely random. The other day I tried 3 new killers and got absolutely dumpstered, then I moved to my main and got a brand new team who I slaughtered. This was all before the change ofc, and I could see their prestiges. All this just to say, there is no real matchmaking so there are no stakes at risk when playing, so why disallow lobby dodging?

MMR isn't a prize to be won, you can't even see what your MMR is. This situation alone that you mention here is exactly why visible MMR shouldn't be added.

Thought echnically, this doesn't even really solve lobby dodging - just makes the biggest reason why it was done a non-issue. Sure people won't dodge based on prestige anymore, but now they will dodge based on cosmetics, vibes, items held, etc. The issue has not changed any.

I still think the prestige removal was a step in the right direction, just to eliminate targeting p100s or people in Surv lobbies dodging p0s.

That's really bold of you to assume that it means the KILLER would not dodge in that situation.

It was tested last year. It made a huge difference when they hid prestige levels.

I have no idea what you are talking about. They tested the above feature prior. It proved to be successful, they’re sticking to it.

My whole point was that the only valid reason for hiding MMR is if it’s doing something very controversial, that would be made public if everyone could see MMR.

Which is a problem, because it assumes BHVR is purposely hiding something for us, that they know we wouldn’t like. It’s kind of like how the forced short M1 attack bug, that can steal hits from the killer, is purposely not being acknowledged… even though there’s actual proof the game is forcing short m1 attacks as part of proximity checks, that are completely separate from the hit validation checks.

1. Then hows hiding prestige a problem if they do this? We can also come with variants of making profiles private, but that seems irrelivant.
2. No because A: you might get compitent players, B: Hours are slightly misleading. Some of our friends really only play Dbd for Kyfs and have gotten better than many under 1k hours. When they occasionally go on their own or in publics, it feels almost unfair how easy it is for them.
3. Yet thats the currently available solution. The other one we can think of is fix players (not happening), but finding somethin else is what the discussion is for no? Besides that we do have a question: how would you measure skill levels? Lets say someone is amazing at running most killers, jukes, knowing counter play, yada yada. This survivor however absolutely sucks against spirit. How would you measure that? Theyre good against most the cast, but a potato against spirit. And aside from that, theres already a unnatural amount of people swinging to death.
4. The above point.
5. Yet its a band-aid that works and is slowly healing the problem, if even a little (lobby dodging specifically). Showing prestige is effectively not having a band-aid. Sure you'll live in the moment but its going to be irritating and the wound will fester if left as such causing long term damage.

hidden prestige = get tunneled if it was an option. the only people that have any reason to hide it are p0 (considered easy pickings) or p100 (the "get tunneled" prestige already)

if you have no incentive beyond increasing a meaningless number that still displays in endgame lobbies to play, then you should probably try and find one?

The only thing I’m seeing here is that the people who were complaining about lobby dodging, are now complaining that they can’t show off.

I personally don’t think this is gonna do anything for lobby dodging. Most people aren’t dodging because of someone’s prestige. They dodge because of SWF. You can hide whatever you want but believe me, you can tell when it’s an SWF.

The real problem isn’t being addressed, and it likely never will be. The more they try to balance the game for SoloQ, the more unbalanced it becomes when it’s an SWF.

Most killers don’t want to deal with it and so they just dodge. I am a survivor main and when I SWF we still get dodged despite the killer not being able to see prestige. They aren’t dodging a number they’re dodging a team with an advantage through comms. They already have to deal with four survivors, add in comms and full coordination the killer is in for a hard time.

These are just facts.