Killers could stand to struggle a bit more imo.

because a lot of killer power are trash. bloodlust is another poorly designed mechanic to fix bad balance in regards chase powers alongside camping and two staging which is more related to gen vs hooks. in many cases, a lot of killer power are worse then bloodlust so it makes sense for a lot of killer player to optimize bloodlust.

I can understand your take on the wiggle system, but bloodlust1 is still VERY necessary for lower tier killers that mostly play m1. Bloodlust 2 and 3 are not necessary anymore imo.

There is no such thing as a "trash tier Killer", only Killers that need an update and Killers the player is trash AT. :)

I also actually think Survivor is fun to play right now, but I think it's actually nothing to do with Killers being too strong and everything to do with SoloQ players being selfish as usual or just bad which is what ruins it. SWF is much much better. I don't appreciate the misinterpretation of my comment, either. My point was that Survivors should also be able to find fun in games they are losing the way Killers have to. Both sides need to chill out and find the fun in losing sometimes, this game should not be this competitive.

Still a both sides player BTW. No quotation marks needed. :)

I really enjoy your mindset. Agree!

You said survivors leaving loops isn’t skill expression, so I asked what you believe survivors should do at those specific setups. There are of course dozens more but I just chose the most egregious examples to highlight how your perspective is flawed. I see your edit however and appreciate that you’ve corrected yourself.

I didn’t misread your statement. I responded directly to what you produced. I haven’t mentioned IW at all.

If you hadnt misread my statement then why did I have to copy paste it? I replied to a post, a post of OP, that was about the skill expression in using iron will while looping. Maybe read what im replying to before typing?

If your just following me around the forums to disagree with whatever I say, thats fine by me. Im here to discuss things. Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing however is not what I would encourage you to do though.

You don't loop those.

You loop stronger structures. Getting caught by the weak tiles is being caught out of position. Being caught out of position is a mistake. Making mistakes is punishable. Punishment comes in the form of being hit or being downed or hooked. If you're really desperate and stuck at those tiles, you simply greed the tile three times.

Weak map = planning your routes better, as either Killer or Survivor. No loop is so weak it's unusable, and no Killer is so map dependent they're unusable.

That’s a good point; however, they aren’t decorative. They exist to be used.. if only to get a stun on them, although this factors into their weakness because you’re unlikely to make distance to anywhere better. Filler tiles are meant to provide something between stronger tiles. But filler tiles in isolation aren’t structures that provide much if any value. Part of skill expression is to avoid being zoned but when we take a map like, say, Haddonfield that has been thoroughly nerfed there really aren’t strong tiles connecting to much else (including fillers). A lot of a survivor’s evasion happens in negative space. That is a byproduct of map design, not skill expression.

"But at a rudimentary level".

So you admittedly don't have much experience as Killer and don't play it seriously, but do have it as Survivor and do play Survivor seriously. Friend, that is still bias. You're still biased. You cannot make solid claims about this game with that much bias. And you're trying to spin this as something positive because…?

If you did play Killer more seriously, especially before a lot of these Survivor nerfs, you would know there is an entire 6-7 year history only just now dying out of Survivor repeatedly being given more help than Killer, often to the point of making some Killers unplayable. You'd know most of the really unfun metas have been Survivor-sided metas, with the exception of the 3-gen Meta that was also obnoxious and needed to go. You'd know why certain perks were nerfed in endgame, some were weakened, and others were adjusted. You'd know why maps were made smaller and we can't have strong nice new perks anymore for either side - because they always get abused and become meta, and the Devs are trying to make other picks both sides have viable value for most casual players like you and I.

I am not a Killer main, either. I'm a hybrid Main, and I'm casual to boot. I am not out here trying to four man out or 4k every single game. My mains are Ghostface with Rancor and Nea with an altruistic-stealth support build. My secondaries all run little to no meta, I have never run 4 gen hold in my life nor do I even run strong perks like Lithe on Survivor except on like two characters, I'm an Alucard secondary and he's the largest Survivor in the game while also being a Pinhead secondary who runs ZERO stron genhold preferring hex builds. I run 9 Killers, and 8 Survivors, all with differing builds for differing reasons, none of which I'd consider overly sweaty at all.

MOST people play both sides with similar or close frequency and MOST players know exactly what is the issue on both sides of the game. You cannot discuss what is affecting Survivor without discussing what is affecting Killer too because it's intertwined. But I never see you talk about the issues Killer can and does face, or has faced in the past. Only ever Survivor. What am I left to assume when you only seem to moan about how bad it is on one side while never seeming to realize where the other got the help and needed it?

That's all very true. The problem is yours is substantial enough to be uninformed or very misinformed about the subjects you're making claims about. In such a case you really should not be making claims about what the game needs, because that's like saying "I'm an expert on infectious disease, I read a few books and articles on the internet one time and I don't think this whole Influenza thing was ever that deadly or big a deal because treatment exists for it."

Im supposed to keep it civil now. Ive read your earlier post. After what you wrote, i should reconsider responding to you at all, but Im here to discuss things. Would be a shame to change that now.

I agree. Losing a survivor with iron will as a killer is a skill issue. Never said otherwise. Leaving the loop with iron will as survivor however, is not something skillful if you ask me.

If I enter a discussion, I usually try to get some context about the discussion itself. Otherwise I could be severely missing the point.