Major Anti Camp buffs are Coming!!!

The main reason a lot of people camped in the first lights out was because it was so hard to see an track people so they camped the first person they found as trying to find something else was a nightmare. I remember games were killers could not find anyone all game.

The worst part about the Candelabras is they have zero counter play, because survivors can safely place them on the ground next to a generator, and wait for the generator to be 99% before placing the Candelabra on a generator.

Candelabras can be destroyed if a survivor places them on a generator. But Candelabras can’t be destroyed if a survivor places them on the ground next to a generator.

Where do Killers usually hook Survivors? I'll give you a hint, if they went down, they probably didn't have any pallets or windows, otherwise they woulda used them and not went down. That's right! They usually get hooked in a deadzone! What does that mean : "or … have nothing to work with", it fits that criteria nearly every time. You don't need edge-map also, the deadzone enough removes their chances.

Now yes, if it was a M1 Killer without Haste/Hinder/Damaging M2, then sure, Trapper and Legion might actually be affected by DS. The problem is you are typically playing an opportunistic playstyle as those Killers (if you want to win), and playing into DS is nearly never opportunistic on those Killers. It is a win as Huntress when they can't Dodge the 8m Hatchet from their 2s stun differential's worth of distance, Demo Shredding ~11m to hit off DS, Wesker Dashing 7m to position and hitting with the 2nd dash, and so on.

Not being able to down a Survivor quickly doesn't always have much to do with skill difference - I'm sorry, what is the process of determining which actions to take based on their effective outcome called? Y'know, when you uh, kick the gen or chase, pick which Surv to chase, where to chase someone, which side to break the Pallet, whether to fail prey for OTR/DS baits or knowingly kill them in time? You even said it, "it's just a bad decision macro-wise". Would that be… Macro skill? So if that indeed was Macro skill, that would be a skill difference. Huh, neat how that pans out.

It's annoying that the AFC gauge builds up even if you just break the surrounding boards, so I'm going to adopt the knockout perk and leave the downed survivors rolling on the ground.

I don't like the idea of leaving downed survivors on the ground, but if hanging them on hooks is becoming a fetter, I don't have a choice HAHA

aren't we talking about tanking a hit with otr? how are you still in the said dead zone after getting hit?

idk what i should say in response to rest of your reply, you are for some reason just assuming the survivor will just run in a straight line, in an area without a single object. i'm mostly not talking about 2 tap survivors, you can give them 10 seconds ds and they will still go down in seconds.

Macro skill?

"skill" in our context clearly was micro skill in a chase.

1 minute of 10% speed and endurance and 32m anticamp range would be extremely silly in the main mode. Its suposed to be a gritty survivor game with party game aspects not a party game with survivor aspects. At that point why even keep trying to remove tunneling or camping without removing tunneling or camping and giving compensatory buffs. Just remove hook timers and give survivors a shared hook pool for 4 and personal hook pool of 2. No one dies before 6 hooks and everyone gets at least 2 hooks minimum unless everyone gets hooked.

Being able to be "safe" in a game where someone is trying to kill you would just be comedic and the metas following changes like this would not be fun. Trying to remove "tunneling" and "camping" without technically removing them just so you don't have to make up for it by buffing killers is just never gonna work without killing the game or making dbd not a tom and jerry simulator (you can catch the mouse but you can't ever win) Can't wait for the unhook and hide meta because you can no longer put the person you just unhooked in a bad spot anymore and have to be across the entire map or not on a small map with massive self unhook ranges.

If you want to enjoy a 6 month lifespan before all but top killers quit be my guest but changes like this would put the game on indefinite dlc life support.

nothing is guaranteed. I am just saying that something that is successful is more likely to re-appear.

what about it is silly? Otz for example made a video a few days ago talking about hard-tunneling off hook is too effective. 60 second of 10% haste and endurence isn't too far fetched in a world where experienced player like otz agree that something needs to change. Proxy camping is something that is less talked about as problematic however most of the time, tunneling and proxy camping are often lumped into one so it makes sense for them to address the problem together.

Being able to be "safe" in a game where someone is trying to kill you would just be comedic and the metas following changes like this would not be fun.

Your safe till you touch a gen. if you touch a gen, the bonuses go away. in practice, you can still be downed but at the same time, people complained about chasing 3% MFT, so if you complain about a small % like MFT, then you definitely are going complain a lot more about chasing 10% haste. Your not really untouchable but in practice, if you play well, it is unlikely the killer will think favourable about chasing you. The killer can still apply pressure to other survivors.

a 20% repair speed buff too apparently

fat fingered the enter button

I didn't see that anywhere in any information for this mode and Endurance by definition is not Haste.

Do you understand how borrow time works after being unhooked? You currently gain 10 second of endurance and 10% haste. They're changing that to 60 second of endurance and haste. that is what it says. This is disabled upon doing conspicuous action.

The anti-proximity mechanic radius is being doubled from what i think is 16 meter to 32 meters. in practice, there is degrading distance between being close and far from hook so i'd say it is around 24 meters.

Sometimes they go down again not long after getting off hook even if the Killer doesn't camp or tunnel ANYONE, it just happens.

It just happens… right. Sometimes they go down? yeah i don't think killer is accidentally camping or tunneling. /shrug.

Just like Survivors deserve the ACTUAL solution to tunnelling being something like

This is actual solution. your complaining about actual solution.

Why on earth do you want to make Killer so, so, so so so impossibly hard that they now can't hook,

who said anything about being unable to hook? the changes are related to making tunneling less efficient and proxy-camping less efficient. your going to need to play differently then your usual strategies to get the W.

Bold of you to assume im gonna play lights out and "see it work properly" thankfully I can probably manage a 10% haste whenever I feel like it as blight and people will stop bringing off the record and ds because they would feel safer than ever, the anti-camp and anti-tunnel update is gonna be no tunneling for thee but for me

OTR is less of a problem because it requires a perk slot to use.

The game is assymetric. Some things in the game are correlated, others not so much.

I can only assume that BHVR looked at the results of the last Light's Out, and have made some tweaks to try and balance the game out. There are dynamics in the match other than gen progress. But only BHVR has that data, so I can only speculate.

It's fair to say that BHVR sometimes overcorrects when trying to fix problems. Can't deny that. Getting hard tunneled when you can't even see where anything is, caused problems with the mode's first iteration. They have have attempted to fix that.

The gen progress buff and the new item must mean that survivors were losing a lot of time locating gens. So the devs are hoping this balances things out. Time will tell I suppose.

Simple fix: Survivors with endurance from OTR, BT, and basekit also receive no collision with the killer for the duration.

This would make bodyblocking with it nearly impossible. There is no downside unless you are trying to bodyblock the unhooked survivor to wait out BT.

it's more so you are stuck in semantics. what could i mean by hittank in relation to your older reply? you said bodyblocking with otr opens up a tunnel. obviously i also meant that, bodyblocking for someone else.

you argue bodyblocking for someone else with otr has some kind of downside to it but there is not, that's the whole point i'm making. the argument of "opening themselves up for a tunnel" doesn't make sense because it just makes the killer decide to tunnel instead. i then proceeded to say forcing the killer into making that decision might be beneficial for the survivor with the correct set up (perks and all that macro skill talk). so the killer either commits to the bad decision that's tunneling or eat the bodyblock and leave them be.

here, i explained the concept of offensive use of otr and how that doesn't mean giving a free tunneled dead survivor on the spot.