Windows of Opportunnity thoughts?

Good for killers, bad for survivors.

Killers: Makes every survivor somewhat effective at looping half sensibly, forcing you to account for their lack of bad plays by having to git gud yourself and actually outplay them.

Survivors: Promotes lazy play styles, ensures you never even try to loop suboptimal tiles, actively hinders your ability to learn maps/spawns, and allows you to switch your brain off instead of try to get better at the game. Should never be ran unless you're at the highest levels and only using it to determine used resources, and at that point, there are probably better perks you can take.

use mindbreaker and now you've countered sprint perks and woo

if we're talking about those new long walls w/ unsafe pallets then yeah those suck and not even woo is helping you there. Well, besides letting you know to not run to that bad tile I guess

but seriously, woo is more of a hindrance to a team and player than anything. Bad teammates will W and pre drop everything while putting their team at a disadvantage later. Occasionally a good player uses it but chances are this guy already knows his tiles and you're just being denied a hit in a dead zone because he won't go there

I mean I personally know where the palettes are on the maps because I'm playing a lot of killer, the only thing I use WoO for is to look if the palettes are still there. Of course it somewhat helps on planing your route, but it won't make you suddenly a god at looping, people that just run to the best loops and nothing else are probably wasting them quick, so it's not an issue for the most part I think.

Overused.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's OP. But I do think anyone using it is doing themselves a disservice. If you're good at loops, have the spawn knowledge down and have a good eye, you can get the same value and still have another perk instead.

Also, a lot of blindness addons/perks have too many restrictions to counter it reliably for those who do have trouble facing it. The best one would be Hex: Third Seal but is a hex, so, you know…

That said, if survivors feel like they need it, good for them.

I think perk variety must be in a good spot if survivors are flocking to WoO.

WoO used to be worse, but a few other perks uses to be borderline must run. I don't feel that sort of pressure now, so yea don't mind me if I am willing to sacrifice a perk slot JUST to see what my solo team does.

Overused, easily countered, and a crutch perk for weak loopers. Shouldn't be this common as all it does is boost Survivors whose skills are not quite there yet. Abused by people who know the game well to just autopilot loop to loop without having to think. Limits skill progression.

Badly, badly needs a change to be less autopilot while still being a good tool for baby Survivors to learn from.

Alberto is right about both of his points, but you can also just use your eyes to see pallets half the time. With eruption you didn't know exactly when the chase would end though so it's a pretty unequal comparison imo.

I don't know if I'd want windows basekit, or if it was made basekit I'd like a way to turn it off or reduce how vibrant it is or something. Too much stuff on my screen when I rarely use it LOL

WoO is popular because it's part of core gameplay as survivor that and doing gens.

Being a good survivor means learning tiles and how to run them correctly.

The perk mostly benefits low level players. High level players know tile spawns and scout used resources.

If you think WoO is ruining your games, wait till you go against survivors that all have the same perks that punish killer snowball tactics, ie ds, unbreakable. They don't waste perk slots..

The problem, Paternal, isn't that just new players at low MMR are using WoO. They can't truly use it effectively.

The problem is that experienced players use it as free mapwide info with no consequence or drawback to always know exactly where certain resources are at any given time, and that's just too much information for a perk meant only for new Survivors to learn tiles. It's too free, with too much info. It doesn't improve looping, it makes looping trivial and creates an autopilot scenario. Plus it can trick people into learning bad habits, as Lights Out and Chaos Shuffle showed us - look how many people started to fumble and falter at loops without their WoO.

At some point you need to know loops yourself and how to handle a tile. WoO can actively hinder that. That's the issue with the perk. As you said being a good Surv means running tiles well. Using WoO tricks you into "run yellow to yellow and predrop" gameplay that half the Killer cast can turn into a weakness, and the other half can just mindgame you over all while you destroy resources for your team. It looks like a good pick, but it's a detriment to any team against a Killer with half a brain. And it's also just… the most boring form of chase imaginable. Try learning mindgames and checkspots, perhaps instead of WoO?

As usual you completely ignored and avoided the core of my point.

Bloodlust is not equivalent. It's a catchup mechanic for Killers with no chase power so chases do not go on for an eternity. It 100% is still needed as long as maps like GoJ exist.

The only Killers Bloodlust should be removed from, and even that's a bad idea, is Killers that really do not need to mindgame around tiles played correctly.

Please, play more Killer and play enough Killer before you reach these conclusions. Not loop-cancelling or strong ones, either. Play enough basic M1 Killer before you make these biased claims.

tl;dr because you never seem to fully read my posts; if you did you would understand my point clearly:

• Bloodlust is a catchup mechanic that helps some Killers have QoL regardless of the player's skill, and is not a crutch as a result. In fact it can be used tactically - remember, Survivors are intended to eventually be downed.
• WoO is a perk you use if you're weak at map knowledge that can be used to outsized effects on experienced players it's not meant to do anything for, and does not even help you learn how to mindgame well, thus it can be a crutch for players who cannot loop without it.
• Even some good Killers sometimes need Bloodlust to catch good Survivors. No good Survivor NEEDS WoO to know how to loop, they use it for information - too much information for free, which isn't the perk's intent.
• Two things can be true at the same time. Water can be both wet and solid. A pet can be both friendly to some and standoffish to others. WoO can be both a crutch for weak players while also a much stronger than intended perk in the right hands.

Long version:

Bloodlust is only braindead if you suboptimally chase someone, and if you do that three gens pop in one chase. If you are doing this you are committing, and if you're committing, you are desperate. Pure and simple as. Nobody who plays seriously as Killer is ever going to force Bloodlust III because it's not optimal or good to commit to a chase that long.

Of course our views differ based on Killer main. Bubba doesn't need Bloodlust, he has a chainsaw sweep. But most other Killers just do not have this, or a way around Bloodlust; they may have to sometimes Bloodlust. Therefore, you cannot call it a crutch, because it's necessary for those Killers. Meanwhile, WoO is a perk you put on because you don't know how to loop well yet. The definition of a crutch - you need it to play better. No Killer really needs Bloodlust to play better, they need it to prevent infinites if they play a Killer that lacks range or mobility. By definition a catchup mechanic, not a crutch.

How many other Killers do you play, BTW? I play nine, all of which need Bloodlust in some way except for arguably Pinhead, Nemesis and Demogorgon. I would like to know for context, as this would explain a lot of things about some of your other opinions of Killer side. If you always play Killers that don't care about pallets, mindgames, or can easily end chase fast, of course you might think Killers are overpowered in chase as a whole.

The difference here is, I think about half of all Killers are hard to chase against, while some are balanced to chase against. You seem to believe that all Killers are of equal strength and thus all OP in chase.

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt and say this is why. Guess it's time to run Hysteria more as Killer if it becomes popular enough again.

Yes of course, Killers need every advantage while Survivors get none. It's also hilarious people are saying that Woo is only used by bad survivors, have you seen some of the streamers who use it? Just because you see the pallets and windows doesn't mean you can run it in an effective way. This insistence that "Survivors need to play thousands and thousands of hours to memorize the ever increasing maps (and also the ones that Bhvr keeps ruining) or they are bad, but yet of course Killers are entitled to see the aura of all generators, like there's not even any question about it" is asinine. Survivor is so much harder to play than Killer now; the balance needs to be going in the other direction, not nerfing one of the perks that actually makes Solo que playable a lot of the time. I literally stopped playing Killer because it is so easy now. Make woo basekit but give the option to turn it on or not. I know Killer mains will have an apocalyptic meltdown but they can't be taken seriously when they claim the game is Survivor sided while the target kill rate is 60% and even at the highest MMR over 50.

I already raised this topic, that this perk needs to be nerfed, and they told me the main survivors, "this is a weak perk". Why did you start writing posts here, the perk is weak, that’s why all survivals use it

I think maybe a VERY SHORT cooldown could be good for the health of the game so it's not just autopilot looping.