Please revert Wraith 5.3 nerfs

he wasn't overpowered. in that same patch, they nerfed deathslinger and deathslinger still feels awful to play vs competent players. it doesn't seem that there is light on revert said poorly conceived changes.

i don't care what the effort is to play a killer. they nerfed wraith for same reason they nerfed current skull merchant, whiny non-sense.

I'd get like 5 Wraiths back to back, it was so awful.

So what. i would face blight 24/7 before he was weakened. Now i face billy every other game. at the end of the day, i am not suppose to complain as survivor. My job is to defeat the killer for whoever I face.

That's why we get some Killer mains complaining about gen timers, because they are too incompetent to win without excessive slowdown. That's why we get some Survivor mains complaining about needing a Syringe every match, because they are too incompetent to win without 24s timesave

killer complain about that because their gameplay is not being rewarded. The margin for error on killer is extremely low vs competent teams. it is almost non-existent low.

This game is horrible to play when it is balanced around the top 0.00000000001% of players, because none of your soloq teammates will be that good for Survivor, and actual clock SWFs are a nightmare to deal with as Killer. Luckily for Killer, there are only 5% of matches that are 4-man SWF in the first place, and if we were generous, only 1% total players are calling clocks (although I suspect that number to be much lower).

It doesn't matter. the top killer player such as myself have to play against that. it in fact a relatively low % of matches. it seems to depend on region. i'd say i face like 2 man swf every 6 games. at least once. a survivor team doesn't need to be 4 man to put up a challenge in this game. It is not so black and white but 4 man SWF team that play optimally have higher degree of severity in being "impossible" to defeat.

The problem with killer powers that are weak is that competent killers cannot gain any value from wraith's ability in chase. it is artificial limiter in killer's skill-cieling. Like literally, if you wonder what add-on i run on wraith, it is shadow dance+serpent. His kit literally has no value beyond that at extremely high-level of play. wraith just isn't really fun so i don't really play him very much.

Killers complain because their gameplay is not being rewarded - I mean I don't know how you can be so objectively wrong. That's the only reward I get playing this game. Every act I take, is a choice, and the consequence is entirely a result of my decisions. That is the most agency possible. If someone is consistently winning as Killer, they made the right decisions for their success. If someone is consistently losing as Killer, it unironically is 'skill dif git gud'. You want to talk about gameplay not being rewarded, you need look no further than soloq. Teammates denying your perks through ignorance or malice, baby Killers falsely claiming you were a SWF when you win, and nearly never winning anyways. I'd say that far and above is the actual unrewarded gameplay.

All SWF combined are enough to be a threat. - I mean I suppose when the bar is as low as 60/40, yeah duos getting 41% escape rates is a 'serious threat'. Or we could be less alarmist and simply realize every other game is pretty much balanced around 50/50 or 51/49, and should take the ~70% winrate (ignoring draws) that is a natural consequence of a 60% killrate with grace.

Competent Killers can't gain value from Wraith's ability in chase - I would hard disagree, not only do competent Killers make use of his power to help in chase, but only incompetent Killers don't. Even then, chase isn't the only factor in the game, but even then, being able to use his stealth to maneuver chases in the direction most favorable is an excellent chase use of power. Not to mention the macro effects of increased mobility and the free hits/pallet drops stealth provides. All of these (and more detailed effects, such as mobility for cutting off a rescue, preventing a gen pop, negating a post-hit speedboost) combine to make a skilled Wraith perform significantly better than a variety Killer hopping over to Wraith for funsies. That's the thing about so-called 'low-tier Killers', they actually require more skill, more optimization, and more game knowledge to leverage wins. If someone is playing Killer for free wins, they would never explore the break-even point for a Bubba saw charges/Demo Lunge/# of Clown bottles/etc. for Mobility, or even how loops play out differently when you approach from odd angles with stealth, or any of the other depth that nearly all Killers provide, but too many take the easy way out with the easy to use, quick to learn 'free win' Killers.

It's been a while since then, but calling him obviously overpowered while Nurse was even stronger during that time is just completely non sensual.

Sometimes you can't even question certain balance decisions unless you want a headache.

He was not only buffed but also nerfed at that time, so it's not like they made him much stronger.

Post-uncloak speed boost was reverted, so he traded a bigger movement speed while cloaked (5.06 → 6.0) for a slower uncloak movement speed (2.024 → 1.6), so basically he lost 1.272m while uncloaking. For a killer that already sucked in a chase, that was not the best update.

Sure he got different indirect buffs, such as medkit nerfs and maps rework, that decreased the number of safe loops and brought more opportunities for him to mindgame, but that uncloak speed nerf was not healthy for him. He still sucks against decent survivors and SWF but is very good vs not so experienced players, I suppose that's why they don't want to buff him more.

As for the comp scene, I don't care, its utterly irrelevant to the actual game we all play. When I'm talking about Smash, I'm talking about all items, all characters, all maps, not 1/3 maps, 1/3 characters, 0 items. I only care about comp when people want to ruin the actual game to accommodate comp. Keep it contained as to not infect the rest of us.

I guess I don't understand this tonal whiplash. 'Low-tier Killers don't need any skill' followed by 'minimum 2-3 escapes every match' are logically inconsistent statements. You can't harbor both these views at the same time without them canceling each other out, or simply flat out lying.