WGLF + Made For This is just Buckle Up + For the People 2.0 except somehow even worse

It's also in a class of perks that you can permanently lose…

Even then it still is pretty dumb because winning a chase before the 15 seconds is up from the first hit doesn't reactivate Blood Favor so the pallet will most likely unblock before or during a pickup if the second hit of the chase is quick enough (funnily enough, Blood Favor is supposed to help you make chases faster). Punishing the killer for doing well is pretty dumb. That's assuming it isn't cleansed, or flashlights and flashbangs / firecrackers aren't in play.

So I have to run Blood Favor, Lightborn, and ensure that my chases aren't too quick by defeating half the purpose of the perk I'm forced to run. I'm all good until the survivors find my bones and I'm back to being defeated by downing survivors underneath upright pallets.

Regardless, it's a very poor argument because forcing perks to counter ridiculous perks / builds has been incredibly poor for the game health wise each time it has happened. Pretending that Blood Favor is a reliable counter, it is the same with Ultimate Weapon and Calm Spirit. Survivors should not have had to run Calm Spirit, a generally awful perk that even heavily punishes you if you bring it against a Hex build, to counter Ultimate Weapon, an over tuned information perk that outclasses everything in its category. While it's not as egregious as UW and Calm Spirit, it still is very bad for the game.

There were counters to 3 genning with old Eruption like Potential Energy and Repressed Alliance, but it's really difficult to lie and say that 25 seconds of incapacitated wasn't absolutely miserable and probably the worst meta the game has ever had. Same for old Dead Hard and Blood Echo.

Also, what about new players? New players often get matched up with more experienced ones as they keep playing so expecting them to grind to get a killer or pay for them just to counter this now common perk combo is a bit sad. Even then, it's not a very good counter once they start playing against survivors who know where to look to find totems.

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Blood Favor can be cleansed and then you wouldn't have an available counter. It doesn't even cover flashy and flashbang saves so you'd also need Lightborn. Survivors can just bring a flashlight or firecrackers or use one of their two free perk slots to use Flashbang once it's reenabled to put the killer in a situation in which they need to slug.

PS If the only other thing you could say in the perk combo's defense is something like "play Wesker or Slinger" then advocating in favor of this perk combo is not a very good hill to die on.

Thank you for the compliment and I appreciate you taking the time to read and respond to my post with some good ideas, though I got very long winded counterpoint of my own towards them. If you want to get straight to the point, read at —().

A lot of perks with counters aren't exactly meta like Infectious Fright (Calm Spirit) and Iron Will (Genetic Limits) or those counters have some use when they aren't brought against what you're using them for like Distortion by allowing you to determine what aura reading perks are or aren't in play. Even Dead Hard, which I think is considered meta still, isn't strong enough to make Genetic Limits a big deal. Kinda sucky that they exist, but there's not a big necessity to bring them, especially if you consider the opportunity cost of bringing something else that would help your performance or just act as a small time save like Brutal Strength or Nurse's Calling on select killers. One of the good things about Mangled and Hemorrhage being on timers now is that heal speed perks aren't necessarily needed to circumvent the healing penalty and forces the killer to push the pace of the match should they want to get good value out of the status effect.

There isn't much of a pressure to bring those counters every game because the perks you'd bring them against don't get you insane value on their own. I think strong perks should have their counters be gameplay based rather than perk based and, if they aren't always so counterable, they should be limited or have a trade off. You can use the block time of Deadlock to go for an unhook, heal, cleanse or bless a totem, or rotate to a more pressing gen to pressure. When a survivor has DS or OTR you can usually just not tunnel, but in the event the best play is to eat them like if the unhooked survivor body blocks, you only get hit with them once or twice per survivor at a maximum. Dead Hard is only up to two times, it cannot be before you hook that survivor for the first time, and there is the possibility of the survivor using it at the wrong time. Deliverance can only be used once, requires a safe unhook (lowering the team's upper limit to 3 if the killer hooks in a specific order), breaks you for a full minute following the self-unhook, and has either limited or zero synergy with post-unhook reset -perks like Resurgence and Second Wind. Perks like Unbreakable and DS are great in that they are a silent threat that punishes unfun playstyles while not giving themselves away before they get value so that the only counter to them is just to not do what they counter. What makes them difficult to also abuse is that they are one time use and personal, so if you use it, you lose the protection that they offer and they don't extend to your entire team.

—() Whatever side the game leans to, the strong point of DBD is that it has a large variety of perks, items, and add-ons you can use to make interesting and unique builds. There really shouldn't be a need to bring specific perks into a match to counter something that is overwhelmingly strong. It's bad when survivors need to and it's bad when killers need to because I feel it takes away a lot of what makes DBD special in the first place.

A bit of an aside, it's less about the WGLF changes (which I want to stress are fine on their own and the perk is fine being strong) and more of a knock-on effect from Made For This being such a poorly conceived perk.