Delete Final Mori from the game

It looks like coming up they are going to be making an adjustment to it.

How so?

The mori system hasn't really changed anything, you get a cooler way to get out of the match, what do you want more? Free bloodpoints for thinking that you played well? If the Killer wants to give you Hatch, they will give it to you, always worked like that.

I for one like getting moried because the animations are getting way cooler these days!

I mori'd someone as Trapper last night. I really shoulda gave hatch cause watching his mori was so brutally dull and laughable.

For a simple reason;

Someone that sees the Finisher Mori is very likely to have twiddled their thumbs for several minutes already while waiting for the other to die (or in case of SWF, also making the others wait on the Killer to end it), they also likely end up in a similar situation often.

For "proof" that it happens more than before, just look at the forum threads, there's been more complains about slugging for the 4k since the Finisher Mori than before, hell there are threads where people are just sick of Mori animations altogether.

The worst part is that there would be a simple way to make it healthier: The Finisher Mori only becomes available if the last Survivor is on their feet when the second-to-last Survivor dies by sacrifice or special Killer Mori (to avoid Killers simply slugging than waiting on the bleedout to down the last one after 4 minutes of wasted time) and doing so would reward extra BP (it could also become a part of tome challenges for extra variety). This wouldn't impede on people going for the 4k at all cost but would reward those that take that endgame gamble/don't play in an unfun way/challenge themselves/play for fun first.

It's likely that Mori dlc/shop is planned (alongside future Visceral skins with unique Mori) and adding more Mori animations would make it even worse.

Myself and others predicted it when it was announced: The Finisher Mori system will only increase 4k/endgame slugging and make people despise Mori animations instead of liking (or at least tolerating) them.

It would be a start. It is also generally bad to have a reward hidden behind a 4k when the methods used to obtain it aren't considered, even if the success rate for obtaining that 4k doesn't go up much.

Even if the 4k rate only increased slightly, that doesn't mean there aren't people still trying to use any means necessary to get to it. I think the statistics would need to include things like how many people are being tunneled, and how much proxy camping is increased. Those things may not necessarily lead to a linear increase in the number of 4ks that happen, but they will make the experience worse for players regardless.

An example of why the effect may not be linear could be that less skilled people playing killer may not realize that their tunneling target is the wrong one, and multiple gens pop if those tactics are used wrong. And other examples could be given related to overall player experience, tactics used, number of disconnects, etc. I think it would be quite a task for BHVR to run through all the necessary statistics on it.

That's not to say that it couldn't be done, but it would be quite an effort. It would probably be easier to see if there's a correlation between the time of the update and the overall player experience. Then BHVR could go about understanding any variations in player experience and addressing them if needed.

Yeah, but you sorta need to demonstrate the problem exists before you are justified in fixing it?

Just try better

While you understood my sentiment @smurf, fixing tunnelling and camping aren't the goal with making the Finisher Mori healthy, those issues need fixing of their own. While the system affects tunnelling a tad bit (more reward for 4k at any cost), the Finisher Mori doesn't affect camping much.

My aim is to significantly reduce slugging for the 4k without punishing those who want to play for the 4k BUT rewarding those who take that extra risk with a cool cutscene and extra BP. The stick doesn't work alone, the carrot is also necessary. The aim is to end the game on a healthy and dynamic note rather than a slog that people just want to skip.

You can even explain it via lore: By giving a chance at Hatch (in which the Killer has an advantage by default due to superior map traversal than Survivors) they give the last Survivor a last burst of hope that the Entity can devour and, should the Survivor lose and the Entity feeds, it grants the Killer the ability to finish by their own hand and rewards them for the dessert.

Like I said earlier, apparently you didn't get my meaning/didn't read the full thing: tunnelling and camping are issues of their own, the solution I'm proposing is an attempt to incentivize keeping the game rolling rather than encouraging almost every trials ending in an unskippable 4-minute cutscene that everybody is bored of by now (literally just in the last 24 hours there's like 3 threads speaking out against slugging for the 4k being rampant that popped up, and one of them even put forth a very similar solution to my own, I even see more and more people asking for a way to skip seeing the Mori animation since they are sick of them and especially waiting for them).

The Killer can tunnel and slug all they want for their 4k win if it's their end-goal no matter the means or if you have adept/challenges/achievements, nothing would prevent or even hinder that with this solution, Survivors taking hits for each other won't save them from being downed and killed, as long as there's more than one Survivor standing then the game is effectively unchanged but you'll get a "thumbs up" from the game if you engage in a full trial and end it in a dynamic final race rather than looking over the whole map searching for a slug/hiding Survivor for 4 minutes (that you might not even find and end up having wasted all that time for nothing) just for the sake of an animation.

Because I'll be frank, I hear a few people asking for basekit Unbreakable, and it scares me. It would fix this singular problem but create dozens more in the process. You want a "solution" that would actually hinder getting the 4k? That's a prime example.

(Ok so since I never targeted anything else than 4k slugging in my solution, my bad if I thought it was directed at me I was beffudled XD).

How could the Survivors "disable" your Mori? It's entirely in the Killer's hands. If you're worried about Plot Twist, don't be. BHVR has proven that they can make Plot Twist not count as "health state loss" in certain cases (to prevent Plot Twist from removing STBFL stacks for example) so it wouldn't be hard to exclude Plot Twist from the actual downed status effect caused by a Killer.

If the Killer slugs for the 4k (3rd survivor dies while last has been twiddling their thumbs on the ground) then all that happens is that you don't get the basekit Mori, the Survivor doesn't get up/get a health state/instantly gets Hatch because you slugged, you can still go back and hook them normally for the 4k even though it's boring and has a risk of losing the slug and ending in a bleedout. The Killer is not punished for it, just like it wasn't for the entirety of the game's lifespan to this day.

If the Killer doesn't slug for the 4k (second-to-last Survivor dies by sacrifice/Mori/escapes while leaving the last one behind while the 4th is injured or healthy) then if the Killer wins the final race then they get a "thumbs up" and a nice animation without needing a perk.

People aren't saying the Mori animation is wasting time, from an objective viewpoint it's sometimes faster than picking up+hooking, people are sick of spending minutes on the ground doing nothing while the Killer frantically goes after the last one for the sake of an animation. I don't mind the Mori animation itself, in fact most people never minded them before, but now it became a common reward for dragging a match on and denying one person the option to do anything. The "cutscene" isn't the animation, it's the time spent on the ground.

And regardless of what any of us hopes/wants, it did get worse than before. Too many threads in too little time speaking up about it (keep in mind those threads aren't always against the Mori animations themselves, they are annoyed at endgame-slugging becoming more common because it's being encouraged).

Also, basekit Unbreakable was a total disaster in that PTB. SWF teams would torment Killers by having sabo builds (there's literally a video called "1 hour of abusing basekit Unbreakable" on Youtube) and forcing lose-lose situations by going down under a pallet with Power Struggle/Buckle Up while a teammate was hovering (slug the Survivor to go after saver? Survivor gets up for free after around 30s and runs away or is able to use Power Struggle to deny the pick-up anyway. Pick the Survivor up immediately? There's a Survivor just waiting to drop that pallet or blind you. It was disgusting.). And Killers would relentlessly tunnel one Survivor and then slug non-stop in the hopes of getting that animation or when they end up in a 2v1 they would alternate between downing both Survivors dozens of times (since they would get up by the time the other got downed most of the time, especially against weaker/slower/M1 Killers) until one bled out or both got downed, the games would end with more bleedout than normal it was so bad. Almost the entire playerbase united against it and it was scrapped (both "sides" agreeing is rare enough that it gave an idea of how disgusting it was). BHVR rightfully wants to narrow the gap between SWF and SoloQ, this took the gap and turned it into an ocean. This isn't progress, it's one step forward fifteen steps back.

I don't want a system that completely removes strategies and ways to win for anyone, I want something that encourages healthy and more dynamic games without impeding on those wanting to simply win.

And if it's too much to ask, then putting in a "speed-bleedout" button in certain situations (slugged in a 2v1, whole team-slug etc.) to speed things up a bit and avoid possible bming would be appreciated.

While Survivors being annoying at exit gates is also annoying, that's yet another thing that requires it's own looking-at.

or the game can be better balanced so killers aren’t abusing the system.