Pyramid Head's torment needs a change

there is nothing about pyramid head that needs chnages other than him getting an addon pass

Also to add to this, we can't forget that hooking perks exist. Even though I don't use them on him, a lot of people do - if my choice is between getting a Pain Res or a cage, and I'm not chasing another survivor right by me, I'm picking the Pain Res

Nah, keep the permanent torment and add back that PTB change of torment on your M2 attack too.

He doesn't need changes. There are plenty of ways to counter it, and whilst on a very rare occasion it's impossible to avoid, the vast majority are avoidable by degrees.

Ultimately, if you're on last hook anyway when down, it's either the Hook, a Mori Offering, or the Torment Mori. There's very little difference.

It's best to learn how to avoid the Trails. They are certainly far less problematic to deal with than his blast. Learn the Killer and, if you really don't want Torment and are cornered between The Executioner and Trails, crouch and take the hit. He may down you, but at least you avoid Torment.

Find you hit you twice hook/cage you, find you again hit you twice hook/cage you, find you again hit you twice after you have tormented yourself = free?

No. There would be NO reason to play pyramid head over artist if you were forced to cage to be able to mori. Its just giving the survivors one freebie before being mori'd which you complained about it and even then caging vs tormented mori is about the same duration. Not to mention caging is overall worse because you NEED pressure perks as phead and a lot of those come from hooking.

That's like 1 of 2 powers he even has. That's the point. It's not like Myers where it's an add-on based, "Hey! I've never damaged or hooked you before, but you die instantly!"

Pyramid definitely has problems. Cages enable him to camp and tunnel with almost complete impunity. No Endurance or even brief invincibility after being uncaged, none of the anti-camping and tunnelling perks work on cages, not even Exhaustion resets. He perplexingly enough gets an uncage explosion notification, making it easy to find and tunnel the uncaged survivor, but experienced Pyramids also have no issue extrapolating on the cage spawn location to begin with.

BHVR finally wisened up and increased the range for the cage relocation mechanic to account for the fact that Pyramid has a ranged ability, but he can still facecamp cages simply by standing out of said range and moving in once anybody uncages:

Compelling gameplay design.

And that's on top of cages saving a lot of time and having a very potent ranged ability that leads to a lot of chase interactions being coinflips for survivors at best, often not really having any real counterplay.

I think trails should be buffed and cages nerfed, at the very least doing things such as removing the uncage notification, having normal unhook i-frames and perhaps even Endurance on uncages as well, making the cage relocate after 1 second of Pyramid coming within 10m of it. Trails should stick around until replaced, and pose more of a threat. Here's two old posts of mine that outline some quick ideas for nerfs and buffs:

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3606310/#Comment_3606310

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3157800/#Comment_3157800

Another thing Pyramid needs is better add-ons, and that could also be compensation for cage nerfs. Lots of easy ideas for really good trail add-ons, such as trails afflicting survivors with Exhaustion, Mangled/Hemorrhage, hell, even injuring them if they run through them too often, causing Broken or Deep Wound.

Now I won't say it's easy to torment survivors because whenever I have the challenge to cage survivors I find myself having to go out of my way to get people tormented, or just needing to play multiple matches. But saying it's completely in the survivor's control is also not true. You can place a trail at any loop and keep chasing the survivor on it - if they cannot leave the loop, "avoiding the trail" would guarantee a hit most of every time, whether they try to crouch through it or run around it. They are usually forced to run through it if they don't want to take a free hit.

Cages have plenty of utility outside of the lack of Exhaustion reset and Endurance: they save a lot of time that you would otherwise spend picking up, carrying and hooking a survivor, instead not even having to leave your position and being able to instantly go back to doing productive things; you completely circumvent blind, stun and sabo saves; cages still negate tons of hook-based perks, such as Decisive Strike, Off The Record, Reassurance, We'll Make It, Babysitter, Deliverance, Second Wind, Kindred, Dead Hard, and so on; while sending survivors across the map can lead to them ending up next to another survivor that can quickly uncage them, it can also lead to survivors having to spend a lot of time running there while you didn't have to carry them there.

Instead of having that "torment on punishment" mechanic (which I do suspect they came up with because their stats showed them that on average not a lot of survivors are getting tormented in Pyramid matches), I would simply make it so that you cannot crouch through trails anymore. Between that and the aforementioned change where trails remain active until replaced, they would be a much more reliable tool to control areas and track survivors, as well as torment them.

I really don't think taking hits/downs to avoid becoming tormented is usually worth it, that's much more of an edge-case argument, but it's fair enough to say that it's at least still a survivor choice. Actually forcing/tricking people into trails without them being able to do anything about it is definitely fairly rare.

Currently the most threatening thing about cages is the ability to camp and tunnel with little there to combat it. And it's problematic. Now (un)fortunately and surprisingly, not a lot of people opt to play Pyramid Head, and of them even fewer go for merciless camp/tunnel cage strategies, so I don't think this is too pressing of an issue. But nobody can look at the little clip I posted there and come away saying "yep, nothing wrong there". It's comically problematic. And I think the idea of "buff trails, nerf cages" is worthwhile even regardless of whether it would be done because cages are problematic - I do think currently it happens too rarely that survivors become tormented, and add-ons that pertain trails would also be much better as a result.

I mean sure??? But that requires him to pick you up, which would make him eat the DS that he could otherwise avoid by sending you to a cage/mori'ing you if you were already tormented from beforehand. Not to mention the huge time waste that picking up and letting go is.

Not being able to crouch through trails would not only make it much more reliable to torment survivors but also make them much more potent as a tracking ability as you can close off areas and always know if someone is entering or leaving, be that certain gens, hooks, the basement, totems, buildings, halves of maps... Add-ons to do with trails could further improve things like I said, afflicting survivors with Mangled/Hemorrhage/Exhausted/Oblivious/Broken/Deep Wound/…, but basekit adjustments are also feasible, such as a brief Hindered effect from trails, or seeing the survivor's aura on top of the killer instinct. There's definitely a lot you can do.

Like I've already mentioned as well, cages do a lot more than you let on. The time saving alone is immensely valuable, and that can be doubly true even precisely because you send them across the map, survivors often having to run there and back again. The fact that hook-based perks do not trigger off cages would remain, and that is not only highly relevant for anti-camping and tunnelling perks such as Decisive Strike, Deliverance, Reassurance, etc., but also things that generally give survivors value but now won't come into play, like We'll Make It, Resurgence, Dead Hard. There's tons of perks survivors commonly use that don't benefit them at all on cages, even stuff like Kindred or Babysitter, whereas you as killer can simply opt not to use hook-based perks, and there are plenty of good options for that. Not having to worry about blind, stun or sabo saves or stuff like Flip-Flop/Power Struggle/Boil Over is also good.

The only things I would do is remove the uncage explosion notification, make it so cages relocate after 1 second of Pyramid being within range rather than 3.5 seconds, and give the uncaged survivor the same i-frames and Endurance that they get on unhooks. That's it. Maybe hooked survivors could also lose torment, but that depends on just how potent buffed trails would be.