Pyramid Head's torment needs a change

If they made the cages stronger anti-camp (like 2v8 so he can't camp the uncage for a free down with power + range add-ons) and gave basekit BT out of a cage rescue I'd have no issue. Realistically the power is only dodgeable if you shift+W, he is meant to torment you eventually, which is fine save for how easy it is to camp and tunnel out with cages.

I thought clown was your boy🤔

facts

when they were global nerfing sloppy butcher by adding timer to it, they sneaked this funny change to one of Pyramid Head's addons

Why would someone playing Pyramid Head even hook someone who's Tormented instead of caging them?

Nah. I play Clown every now and then, but not that much. I wish I could play his yellow bottles as good as Arinad, but I am not ready to invest that much painful hours into Clown … and reading that book :D

But I like Clown enough and reconed that not too many would use his profile pic as their avatar, thats why I picked that one. But Pyramid Head is my one and only main, he is just too good and I am pretty deadly with him.

Not entirely true, ever since Pyramid head's release, his trails have been ridiculously buggy, often disappearing for no reason despite still being present in terms of survivors being able to stand in them.

It's time to main Urban Evasion

Also the Killer Instinct Add-on for Freddy which is surprisingly good.

that one should be basekit, ngl

I love it when people say “free” 🤣 it’s wild.

PH is perfectly fine the way he is, if anything I'd buff his addons but I can't talk on that too much since I main him

You have a very personal definition of "free".

Remember caging is (99% of the time because there have been times where this is no physical trail on the ground and I still got tormented) in complete survivor control as THEY have to run into the trail and is very hard to force a survivor into running into one. There would literally be no point in caging if the survivors get exhaustion reset and endurance out of cages. Sure there is the scenarios where there's a flashlight or a pallet but yet again the survivor WONT get tormented unless they want to which even then if you place the trail on the pallet they could crouch walk the extra distance to the pallet to ignore the trail.

I would only agree to giving survivors unhook perks on cages IF that random pyramid head experiment they did went through where he tormented you if he hit you with his m2.

Now I won't say it's easy to torment survivors because whenever I have the challenge to cage survivors I find myself having to go out of my way to get people tormented, or just needing to play multiple matches. But saying it's completely in the survivor's control is also not true. You can place a trail at any loop and keep chasing the survivor on it - if they cannot leave the loop, "avoiding the trail" would guarantee a hit most of every time, whether they try to crouch through it or run around it. They are usually forced to run through it if they don't want to take a free hit.

Cages have plenty of utility outside of the lack of Exhaustion reset and Endurance: they save a lot of time that you would otherwise spend picking up, carrying and hooking a survivor, instead not even having to leave your position and being able to instantly go back to doing productive things; you completely circumvent blind, stun and sabo saves; cages still negate tons of hook-based perks, such as Decisive Strike, Off The Record, Reassurance, We'll Make It, Babysitter, Deliverance, Second Wind, Kindred, Dead Hard, and so on; while sending survivors across the map can lead to them ending up next to another survivor that can quickly uncage them, it can also lead to survivors having to spend a lot of time running there while you didn't have to carry them there.

Instead of having that "torment on punishment" mechanic (which I do suspect they came up with because their stats showed them that on average not a lot of survivors are getting tormented in Pyramid matches), I would simply make it so that you cannot crouch through trails anymore. Between that and the aforementioned change where trails remain active until replaced, they would be a much more reliable tool to control areas and track survivors, as well as torment them.

I really don't think taking hits/downs to avoid becoming tormented is usually worth it, that's much more of an edge-case argument, but it's fair enough to say that it's at least still a survivor choice. Actually forcing/tricking people into trails without them being able to do anything about it is definitely fairly rare.

Currently the most threatening thing about cages is the ability to camp and tunnel with little there to combat it. And it's problematic. Now (un)fortunately and surprisingly, not a lot of people opt to play Pyramid Head, and of them even fewer go for merciless camp/tunnel cage strategies, so I don't think this is too pressing of an issue. But nobody can look at the little clip I posted there and come away saying "yep, nothing wrong there". It's comically problematic. And I think the idea of "buff trails, nerf cages" is worthwhile even regardless of whether it would be done because cages are problematic - I do think currently it happens too rarely that survivors become tormented, and add-ons that pertain trails would also be much better as a result.

I mean sure??? But that requires him to pick you up, which would make him eat the DS that he could otherwise avoid by sending you to a cage/mori'ing you if you were already tormented from beforehand. Not to mention the huge time waste that picking up and letting go is.

Not being able to crouch through trails would not only make it much more reliable to torment survivors but also make them much more potent as a tracking ability as you can close off areas and always know if someone is entering or leaving, be that certain gens, hooks, the basement, totems, buildings, halves of maps... Add-ons to do with trails could further improve things like I said, afflicting survivors with Mangled/Hemorrhage/Exhausted/Oblivious/Broken/Deep Wound/…, but basekit adjustments are also feasible, such as a brief Hindered effect from trails, or seeing the survivor's aura on top of the killer instinct. There's definitely a lot you can do.

Like I've already mentioned as well, cages do a lot more than you let on. The time saving alone is immensely valuable, and that can be doubly true even precisely because you send them across the map, survivors often having to run there and back again. The fact that hook-based perks do not trigger off cages would remain, and that is not only highly relevant for anti-camping and tunnelling perks such as Decisive Strike, Deliverance, Reassurance, etc., but also things that generally give survivors value but now won't come into play, like We'll Make It, Resurgence, Dead Hard. There's tons of perks survivors commonly use that don't benefit them at all on cages, even stuff like Kindred or Babysitter, whereas you as killer can simply opt not to use hook-based perks, and there are plenty of good options for that. Not having to worry about blind, stun or sabo saves or stuff like Flip-Flop/Power Struggle/Boil Over is also good.

The only things I would do is remove the uncage explosion notification, make it so cages relocate after 1 second of Pyramid being within range rather than 3.5 seconds, and give the uncaged survivor the same i-frames and Endurance that they get on unhooks. That's it. Maybe hooked survivors could also lose torment, but that depends on just how potent buffed trails would be.